diversity promotion is just another system not based on merit but a system based on discrimination and "affirmative" action
Alphabet shareholders reject diversity proposal backed by employees
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#32Why do companies hire all these diversity administration in the first place? It burns epic amounts of money, and sows discontent, when there message and answer to everything is we need more diversity for all leadership and tech positions,(aka quotas of people with subpar skillsets). Instead of merely hiring on skill.
The thing is that people aren't hired based solely on skill. There is some degree of bias that needs to be addressed.
Re: Alphabet shareholders reject diversity proposal backed by employees
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
The other question is for people who side with the proposal: what would be considered 'too much effort' when it comes to inclusion and equitability?
It’s not about effort. It’s aboit discriminating against people to fill quotas and turning away qualified candidates when they’re not the “correct” gender or race.
It's wrong to claim that qualified candidates are being rejected in favor of less qualified, but diverse, candidates.
No position in this argument supports anything like that.
Re: Alphabet shareholders reject diversity proposal backed by employees
#34If we aren't going to mark this as dupe, I'll repeat my comment from the thread yesterday: Per the article, backed by "several hundred employees" out of a 2017 Alphabet headcount of 80,110.
Re: Alphabet shareholders reject diversity proposal backed by employees
#35To what extent should diversity be the responsibility of companies? I would argue the responsibility is in proportion to added-discrimination, so to speak (kind of like your profit should be in proportion to your added value). So, as an example, if 90% of your applicants are male and 10% are female, presuming quality is randomly distributed, the default assumption is that the company ends up with 90% male employees a…
Perhaps people want a short term solution when the real solution needs to be in education, outreach, mediatization, etc.
Re: Alphabet shareholders reject diversity proposal backed by employees
#36Why do companies hire all these diversity administration in the first place? It burns epic amounts of money, and sows discontent, when there message and answer to everything is we need more diversity for all leadership and tech positions,(aka quotas of people with subpar skillsets). Instead of merely hiring on skill.
The thing is that people aren't hired based solely on skill. There is some degree of bias that needs to be addressed.
This bias goes well beyond racial and gender diversity. Why are these the only types of diversity that are ever discussed.
And pls don’t misunderstand this argument, but could the same argument not be used for say diversity of skill? Like how come a company can reject me due to lack of skill?
Re: Alphabet shareholders reject diversity proposal backed by employees
#37To what extent should diversity be the responsibility of companies? I would argue the responsibility is in proportion to added-discrimination, so to speak (kind of like your profit should be in proportion to your added value). So, as an example, if 90% of your applicants are male and 10% are female, presuming quality is randomly distributed, the default assumption is that the company ends up with 90% male employees a…
> If you have a fever because of a bacterial pneumonia, antibiotics are much better than Tylenol. You also don't go "but don't have tylenol to break the fever because there's a root cause too," because an unchecked fever is itself damaging to the brain. And you especially don't do that if the root cause is unknown, unclear, or will take a long time or is impossible to cure. The root causes here are complex and will t…
I know this is an aside, but speaking as a physician the treatment of fever doesn't actually do much of anything [1]. The rates of certain injuries e.g. febrile seizures are the same with or without Tylenol [2].
[1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1488736/, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12076499/ [2] http://adc.bmj.com/content/88/7/641
Re: Alphabet shareholders reject diversity proposal backed by employees
#38To what extent should diversity be the responsibility of companies? I would argue the responsibility is in proportion to added-discrimination, so to speak (kind of like your profit should be in proportion to your added value). So, as an example, if 90% of your applicants are male and 10% are female, presuming quality is randomly distributed, the default assumption is that the company ends up with 90% male employees a…
The article quotes Google as shooting for “market supply” representation, instead of artificial targets of the proposal. I can’t think of any legitimate reason they can’t achieve market representation so that makes sense to me. Forcing 50/50 at Google would force many, many smaller companies out of balance. They should spend their efforts on the top of funnel imho, with more high school and university programs to sup…
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Re: Alphabet shareholders reject diversity proposal backed by employees
#39To what extent should diversity be the responsibility of companies? I would argue the responsibility is in proportion to added-discrimination, so to speak (kind of like your profit should be in proportion to your added value). So, as an example, if 90% of your applicants are male and 10% are female, presuming quality is randomly distributed, the default assumption is that the company ends up with 90% male employees a…
That's overly simplistic. If women or minorities see women and minorities doing well at companies, they are more likely to apply to them.
If you want to break the pattern it makes sense for companies to take the initiative. Look at what Apple did at WWDC -- greatest percentage of women on stage ever. Having said that, the article has no details on what the proposals were, so it's unclear just how heavy a burden it placed on the company.
Re: Alphabet shareholders reject diversity proposal backed by employees
#40To what extent should diversity be the responsibility of companies? I would argue the responsibility is in proportion to added-discrimination, so to speak (kind of like your profit should be in proportion to your added value). So, as an example, if 90% of your applicants are male and 10% are female, presuming quality is randomly distributed, the default assumption is that the company ends up with 90% male employees a…
You might also want to look into "Disparate Impact" [0] and "Unconscious Bias" [1].
> For example, if XYZ Company hired 50 percent of the men applying for work in a predominantly male occupation while hiring only 20 percent of the female applicants, one could look at the ratio of those two hiring rates to judge whether there might be a discrimination problem. The ratio of 20:50 means that the rate of hiring for female applicants is only 40 percent of the rate of hiring for male applicants. That is, 20 divided by 50 equals 0.40, which is equivalent to 40 percent. Clearly, 40 percent is well below the 80 percent that was arbitrarily set as an acceptable difference in hiring rates. Therefore, in this example, XYZ Company could have been called upon to prove that there was a legitimate reason for hiring men at a rate so much higher than the rate of hiring women.