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The end of India’s ‘IT miracle’?

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Re: The end of India’s ‘IT miracle’?

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Post by StudentStuff »

jeswin wrote: post #58
sumanthvepa wrote: post #33

While the article doesn't explicitly make the association, I get the impression that a lot of HN readers make the assumption that India's tech sector is synonymous with its IT services industry. Not so. While it is true that IT services is plateauing, that is not so with the tech sector as a whole. E-commerce, cloud-computing, fintech are exploding in India driven by a massive domestic market demand and an ability to…

The problem is that we manufacture very little, and a disproportionate part of our GDP is services. If you take away services, there's not a lot of money coming into our economy. The size of our economy is tiny in comparison (smaller than UK's) and per-capita income is one of the lowest - there's not a lot of headroom to grow for companies targeting the domestic market. The point I'm making is, until manufacturing an…

Does India actually want to grow manufacturing and industry though? Its notably more environmentally destructive, here in Seattle we're still cleaning up cadmium and other hazardous pollutants in the soil from Boeing's manufacturing partners from decades ago. Overall, considering the amount of remediation we've had to do, there are some industries that cost us more than they ever earned.

Re: The end of India’s ‘IT miracle’?

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Post by stillwatersr »

niklasd wrote: post #50

I studied in India 2012 for a short time. I met incredible smart and hardworking people. However, one thing that I found quite unnerving was that there is a tendency to always anwser yes if asked if one knows how to do something, even if thats not true. Sometimes a plain "I don't know" can be very helpful in achieving a goal. I can't count how many times I asked a rickshaw driver if he knew a certain place and he ans…

Fair enough. What does this have to do with the Original Topic? Are you just looking for a place to rant?

Re: The end of India’s ‘IT miracle’?

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Post by stealthmodeclan »

What people don't realize is that there are tons of American companies which have offices in Banglore and one in texas or california and nearly all employees are Indian except a few.

Those companies are massively profitable but they come across as American. Indian CEOs (somtimes even CEO is American but not having complete control over the corporation) of those companies send American employees for delivering keynotes. There is lots of this perception of being an American firm. But you'll be amazed there are many Russian,Chinese,Indian etc... As an American LLC.

There is no stripe or Braintree in India.

The day these are launched in India, you'll see boom in product companies operating entirely out of India till then....

Also the best Indian engineers end up working for big companies like FANG.

And they do not like putting their lives on stake for startups. So if you'll not find them begging for jobs at small companies.

Re: The end of India’s ‘IT miracle’?

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Post by godelmachine »

Karishma1234 wrote: post #4

I spend 6 months working from Sunnyvale and 6 months working from India. I have seen a remarkable improvement in quality of engineers. I think IT industry as such pretty much doomed because of automation, saturation and US immigration restrictions. The fresh graduates now I meet want to work on products. Products that are meant for Indian markets and other markets. India can take a big lead in AI and other things if…

Hi karishma1234,

May I ask in which organization and in which domain do you work? Asking out of curiosity.

Thanks.

Re: The end of India’s ‘IT miracle’?

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Post by stillwatersr »

ramblerman wrote: post #26
reacharavindh wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah. My generalization is of no use in a discussion. I only meant to say a lot of them(that I know) are. I can't vouch for billions of us :-) Could you elaborate "sheltered by western standards"?

I can also only speak for the friends I know :) But I mean overly protected to a late age, and very strongly influenced by their parents. The flip side is that on average my Indian friends are also the politest people that I know, which makes me realize it's really a lost quality.

I've found quite the opposite to be the truth. On average, my Indian friends are the most arrogant, rude people I know.

Re: The end of India’s ‘IT miracle’?

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Post by collyw »

icebraining wrote: post #19
collyw wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok generalization again, but I see a lot more Indian names asking questions rather than answering them.

I'd bet every country has more people asking questions than answering them.

Stack overflow generally has more than one answer per question, so probably not. People more likely up vote an existing question.

Re: The end of India’s ‘IT miracle’?

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Post by ShinTakuya »

reacharavindh wrote: post #2

If anything, Indian engineers are street smart, and pick up new tech and tools very quickly. Of course, everybody can, I mean to say that there is a cultural attitude to quick adaptation to changing conditions. Source: myself, Indian CS engineer, now living in Europe. Sure, the simple laborious IT tasks are going away with automation for good. But the labor force will pick the next best thing. As long as labor is che…

I don't think it has anything to do with Indian and rather everything to do with the nature of the outsourcing business model. Outsourced engineers (from India and from several other countries I've encountered) in my experience tend to have low standards of code and terrible engineering practices. I'd outsource for repetitive tasks but never for anything I expect to be rock solid and future proof or handling sensitive data.

Re: The end of India’s ‘IT miracle’?

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Post by ThePawnBreak »

stealthmodeclan wrote: post #63

What people don't realize is that there are tons of American companies which have offices in Banglore and one in texas or california and nearly all employees are Indian except a few. Those companies are massively profitable but they come across as American. Indian CEOs (somtimes even CEO is American but not having complete control over the corporation) of those companies send American employees for delivering keynote…

The N in FANG stands for Netflix.

Re: The end of India’s ‘IT miracle’?

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Post by StudentStuff »

sho wrote: post #53
kumarvvr wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tech is doing fine, but India definitely dosen't have the homegrown talent to cater to the new wave of startups. The fault is the Indian education system, which silences creativity, encourages rote learning and focuses too much on numbers on report cards. Its really sad and alarming here. (I am from India). There are whole generations of students, who, from their early schooling, right up to a Bachelor's degree in En…

> silences creativity, encourages rote learning and focuses too much on numbers on report cards You can absolutely say that about the Chinese education system as well, and they seem to be doing OK. I agree it's a shame that creativity is undervalued, if not outright suppressed, by the education system, but at the same time I don't think entrepreneurial spirit arises from formal education in the first place.

Entrepreneurial spirit generally doesn't emerge from standard formal education, but not much is done to suppress it, and there are often extracurriculars to encourage young entrepreneurs. Rote memorization also only gets you so far, often you get tested on how you arrived at an answer, not just on the answer itself. Understanding the process is just as important as knowing it.

Perhaps this is a bit like the schooling of Bolshevik Engineers versus American Engineers, the former had a much reduced curriculum that helped the USSR catch up in engineering talent on paper, meanwhile those engineers were missing key concepts that you need to understand to build planes, bridges and similar that won't spontaneously degrade.

Re: The end of India’s ‘IT miracle’?

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Post by raverbashing »

stillwatersr wrote: post #62
niklasd wrote: post #50

I studied in India 2012 for a short time. I met incredible smart and hardworking people. However, one thing that I found quite unnerving was that there is a tendency to always anwser yes if asked if one knows how to do something, even if thats not true. Sometimes a plain "I don't know" can be very helpful in achieving a goal. I can't count how many times I asked a rickshaw driver if he knew a certain place and he ans…

Fair enough. What does this have to do with the Original Topic? Are you just looking for a place to rant?

Oh it has a lot to do with the topic in discussion
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