> The consulting firm McKinsey estimates that new tech could make two-thirds of the Indian IT workforce “irrelevant” by 2020. Indian newspaper headlines warned of an IT jobs “bloodbath,” There was an amazing answer to this "bloodbath" fallacy during an AI/ML conference in Bangalore. One of the panelists talked about "Manure" - During the Victorian era there used to be lot of horse carriages. More horses meant more ma…
What came first, that conference or this scene? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XM1YWl9-ZG0
The end of India’s ‘IT miracle’?
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#12* http://time.com/3978175/india-population-worlds-most-populou...
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#13If anything, Indian engineers are street smart, and pick up new tech and tools very quickly. Of course, everybody can, I mean to say that there is a cultural attitude to quick adaptation to changing conditions. Source: myself, Indian CS engineer, now living in Europe. Sure, the simple laborious IT tasks are going away with automation for good. But the labor force will pick the next best thing. As long as labor is che…
> pick up new tech and tools very quickly And then they go on StackOverflow and Github issue trackers, begging anyone and everyone to help them and appearing completely out of their depth.
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#14I tend to get drawn in because I'm working for an ISV that makes a product. The Indian third-parties get drawn in because the real customwr has outsourced a function to them. I now have to deal with the incompetent pm on the $outsourced side, instead of the competent, reasonable pm on the real customer. And eight layers of red tape aroind simple config changes arise
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#15Around 2008, there was a peak boom in offshore centers set up by most companies. These companies could afford to pay well because most of their revenue is either ad revenue or from companies like Microsoft which had a great sales pipeline going. These companies around 2014 - 2015 started to cut down heavily on offshore hiring, the reason was salaries were bonkers and most managers overpaid certain employees by several factors higher than others(Thanks to insane stock packages). The salary levels for many employees were on par with US salaries. Once you reach that point, it makes sense to hire people in US than in Bangalore. This plateau effected product based multinational companies more than services companies.
Another factor that has played into this whole thing is the number of H1B's and Green cards currently staying in US. The L1 A and EB-1 program was abused by most companies(ironically product companies) to award GCs in wholesale. As of now the peak services company head count around 2008 is now entirely working in the US. Of course if you have all the cheap labor you want in your home country, you don't outsource much to India.
The actual services company industry is going at the same pace as before. They are quite fiscally responsible companies so don't pay 4x higher as product companies do, they are perennially profitable though. Infosys is one of the most successful tech companies in the history of India ever. In fact the product company salaries are the biggest reason many fresher in the past few years have opted to be SREs/DBAs/PEs/QEs(non-dev roles) etc in product companies than be programmers in service companies. The irony today is people from small time colleges get to work a lot of good dev projects in service companies than people from top colleges who work on non-dev projects.
The third factor of course is homegrown start up ecosystem. Start ups in India payed quite well around 2014 when VC money was free and plenty. I guess they don't pay that well now. And they are also quite stingy with equity. Plus I hear they are bad with tech work too. Most of it is Spring + Java + Postgres stitching.
I remember in the peak of service companies I did far more quality work than any start up kid does today.
May be the next US recession will change things again. But like I said before, people are now used to MNC salaries and suffer through any bad project for just the salary.
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#16> The consulting firm McKinsey estimates that new tech could make two-thirds of the Indian IT workforce “irrelevant” by 2020. Indian newspaper headlines warned of an IT jobs “bloodbath,” There was an amazing answer to this "bloodbath" fallacy during an AI/ML conference in Bangalore. One of the panelists talked about "Manure" - During the Victorian era there used to be lot of horse carriages. More horses meant more ma…
The horse manure and automobile jobs could very well have completely different Dynamics allowing for a steady flow from one to the other, not to mention different population characteristics. It doesn't make sense to use it as some sort of proof that people in existing jobs/careers/skill sets will not suffer as there will always be something they can do.
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#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
> pick up new tech and tools very quickly And then they go on StackOverflow and Github issue trackers, begging anyone and everyone to help them and appearing completely out of their depth.
To be fair, silly questions are fair game from everybody on SO and GH. There are just so many of us Indians, which makes us more visible. I browse SO just for curiosity, I have seen plenty of silly questions with all sorts of usernames.
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#18Multinational companies took the wind out of the sails for most IT companies's ability to hire talent. Around 2008, there was a peak boom in offshore centers set up by most companies. These companies could afford to pay well because most of their revenue is either ad revenue or from companies like Microsoft which had a great sales pipeline going. These companies around 2014 - 2015 started to cut down heavily on offsh…
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
To be fair, silly questions are fair game from everybody on SO and GH. There are just so many of us Indians, which makes us more visible. I browse SO just for curiosity, I have seen plenty of silly questions with all sorts of usernames.
Ok generalization again, but I see a lot more Indian names asking questions rather than answering them.
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#20> The consulting firm McKinsey estimates that new tech could make two-thirds of the Indian IT workforce “irrelevant” by 2020. Indian newspaper headlines warned of an IT jobs “bloodbath,” There was an amazing answer to this "bloodbath" fallacy during an AI/ML conference in Bangalore. One of the panelists talked about "Manure" - During the Victorian era there used to be lot of horse carriages. More horses meant more ma…
They will, a little though.
But Indians abused through a lot of processes. I know plenty of people who climb the ladder through very bad workplace politics, sycophancy and nepotism. No system can work well for a long time under these sort of inefficient circumstances. Eventually a clean up is inevitable.