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Re: Apple introduces macOS Mojave

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Post by euyyn »

bradknowles wrote: post #391
Spivak wrote: post #159

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They don't really convey ideas, they convey emotions and reactions. It pretty much solves the "tone is hard to convey over text problem."

Except your version of an emoji doesn't look anything at all like my version of what is supposed to be the same emoji. I don't think that solves the problem at all. In fact, I don't think that solves any problems at all. If anything, it causes way more problems than it solves.

What you say is a recognized problem that the big companies that have their own emoji fonts work to progressively eliminate.

Re: Apple introduces macOS Mojave

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Post by rspeer »

threeseed wrote: post #260
rspeer wrote: post #242

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Not sure what you're saying is changing on the server -- people are going to go from not using OpenCL to not using Metal. Everything is CUDA. Everything depends on the shitty unstable software designed by a hardware company (Nvidia). This sucks and I hope someone can disrupt it, but Apple has no influence in the field of GPU computing.

When did Apple ever have influence in the field of GPU computing. And I work in data science and nobody is using their own laptops when you have AWS.

I didn't say they did. My claim is that Apple deprecating OpenCL is a straightforward and uninteresting thing; it's a company that has no influence on GPU computing getting out of the business of a technology that also has no influence on GPU computing.

I work in data science too, and who cares about laptops. Desktop computers with GPUs, SSDs, and a lot of RAM are what you need. You can thoroughly bling out the hardware and the entire computer will still cost less than your monthly AWS bill to access a GPU. (This is all getting pretty irrelevant to Apple, though, who doesn't make such computers.)

Re: Apple introduces macOS Mojave

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Post by martin1975 »

0x0 wrote: post #33

Wow, they are DEPRECATING OpenGL from both macOS and iOS: https://developer.apple.com/macos/whats-new/ This is in addition to last year's announcement that "macOS High Sierra is the last version of macOS to run 32bit apps without compromise " I wonder if we will soon see a new lineage of Macbooks fitted with Apple-specific arm64 chips. The most scary thought is if UIKit-on-macOS starts requiring Developer ID entitlem…

the notch...no 3.5mm aux...no OpenGL... the hits just keep on coming. Is this what passes for "invention" today? What's next, deprecating USB?

Re: Apple introduces macOS Mojave

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Post by ksk »

baxtr wrote: post #338
EpicEng wrote: post #143

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Well that's a pretty inane reaction. Next time I see a bad movie should I just keep my mouth shut and make my own movie?

A more apt comparison would read: You watch a mediocre preview of a new movie from a company that has made the most successful movies ever and continuous to do so. They're doing something right. Instead of complaining, maybe, just maybe, we should consider whether we're the ones misjudging reality.

>from a company that has made the most successful movies ever and continuous to do so. They're doing something right. Instead of complaining, maybe, just maybe, we should consider whether we're the ones misjudging reality.

That's a rather silly comparison. I guess the same logic doesn't apply to Electronic Arts/Oracle/Comcast/. People seem to be giving them money, and yet people also simultaneously hate them. I think we can and should criticize things we don't like, but only if we're honest with our reasons.

Re: Apple introduces macOS Mojave

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Post by Fnoord »

tomc1985 wrote: post #301
ben509 wrote: post #213

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"Whole new way" is a bit hyperbolic, but an emoji definitely brings layers of meaning that are normally only feasible in in-person conversation into the written realm. It would be pretty hard to express the sentiment the ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ emoji can, and even if you put the effort into writing it, you'd lose the immediacy. It's also interesting how they work as reactions. If you hit "like" on something, for instance, you don'…

> It would be pretty hard to express the sentiment the ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ That's what acronyms were used for. Back in the day of AIM/ICQ I never felt I had issues expressing myself with just text. It was text supplemented with a healthy dose of emoticons and acronyms, which leads me to believe that emoji are redundant

I'll extrapolate a bit on your post.

AIM/ICQ already had picture-smiley support, converting :) to a smiley. The first smileys on the internet were used in the start of 80's (they're apparently used in written form as well see [1]). It was used on IRC and e-mail.

Another fun fact of that time (80s) is that domain names and TLDs used to be written in CAPITAL LETTERS. And the first spam was from DEC (Digital Equipment Corporation).

Acronyms are very old (widely used), and useful, but that doesn't mean they're better because they're older or more used in the past. Remember that reading in past centuries wasn't for everyone, same for latin. Acronyms are language specific which emoticons/emoji are not. The acronym LOL, one of the first chat-specific acronyms, stems from IRC and is believed to be coming from Dutch (The Dutch word lol means "fun" or [non-sexual] "pleasure". The Dutch were one of the very first if not the first countries to connect to the USA internet, and same for its IRC presence.) If you're a native English speaker you may not give a rat about acronyms being English-centric, but for the rest of the world they often don't even know what the acronyms stand for or they have their local acronyms which you or me wouldn't grasp.

Emoticons and emojis do not suffer from that problem. Case in point, the red 100 emoji is widely popular in the USA (so I heard). People don't use it here in NL. But we understand what an American would mean with it.

I believe picture language (as I call it) plus on-the-fly translation devices (what Google Glass could've been ages ago but didn't work out due to public outcry) is going to solve communication in the 21st century. The effect of the tower of Babel shall be mitigated. Why are my glasses still dumb? All these brands being sold here, are ultimately owned by the same big fat multinational. There's a huge opportunity here.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smiley

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Post by discordance »

icy_as_blue wrote: post #378
janlukacs wrote: post #14

WWDC 2018, from underwhelming to boring. I will lose my mind if i hear *oji one more time. Will they ever stop with this nonsense? Favicons in Safari? It took them 6 years for the browser to remember the zoom setting per site, now we have the luxury of having favicons.

Personal experience, emojis largely enrich my chats with friends and family. That’s one of the reasons I prefer WeChat over WhatsApp. In fact, WeChat even created platform to invite artists to create more emojis for the app.

I guess animated icons trump concerns about privacy and monitoring by a surveillance state [1]

1: https://www.theverge.com/2018/4/30/17302720/wechat-deleted-m...

Re: Apple introduces macOS Mojave

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

adventured wrote: post #396
jdietrich wrote: post #344

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I don't mean this to sound in any way cruel or judgemental, but a very large proportion of the population have very limited literacy skills. Emoji are useful for all users who are writing short, personal messages that might be ambiguous in tone. They are extremely useful for people who would otherwise struggle to express or understand tone and emotion using the written word. In the last National Assessment of Adult L…

> In the last National Assessment of Adult Literacy, 43% of Americans were assessed as having "basic or below basic" literacy. They can extract basic factual information from short, straightforward texts, but little more than that. That's intentionally misleading and it's thrown around frequently without clarification of what the basic and below basic levels exactly mean, how they compare to the rest of the world, an…

> The US basic literacy level is a high bar compared to what 95% of the planet actually tests at

Americans are well educated relative to the global population. That isn't what we're discussing. OP is explaining why large swaths of the population might prefer communicating with pictures over words. It isn't that they can't understand words. Just that parsing and constructing language to express complex thoughts isn't a common experience for many, for whatever reason. Emojis fill that gap.

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Post by egypturnash »

therein wrote: post #370
Spivak wrote: post #159

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They don't really convey ideas, they convey emotions and reactions. It pretty much solves the "tone is hard to convey over text problem."

How did they do that beyond `:)` or `xD` or `-.-` does?

Well, for starters, you don't have to turn your head 90º to resolve some, but not all of them as an image, as you do with your provided examples. They're also much higher-resolution so it's easier to pull meaning from an unfamiliar one.

Re: Apple introduces macOS Mojave

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Post by macintux »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #373
macintux wrote: post #162

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What’s the text version of a birthday cake? More challenging: what’s the text version of a singing, eye-rolling T-Rex? It’s fine to not care about emoji, but you can’t logically dismiss them as prettier smilies.

> What’s the text version of a birthday cake? "Happy birthday!" > More challenging: what’s the text version of a singing, eye-rolling T-Rex? Ok, you got me there, because I have no idea what concept is even meant to be communicated by such an absurd thing.

Let me put it another way: what’s the point of these newfangled moving pictures when we already have books?

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Post by Jach »

Ambroos wrote: post #122
erichurkman wrote: post #49

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I wonder if they'll ever fix `localStorage` in private Safari windows. It breaks countless sites and Safari is the only browser to block it.

Chrome with certain privacy-conscious settings disallows access to localStorage as well. It broke something we built too.

There's also a security policy that affects IE11, accessing localStorage ends up giving an "Access is Denied" error...
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