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Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by pritambaral »

stordoff wrote: post #460
pritambaral wrote: post #387

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It starts by saying "stole my code", but then discusses an MIT licensed piece of code Unrelated to the rest of the discussion, I just want to clarify that MIT License != 'Do Whatever You Want' License. MIT requires attribution and maintaining the copyright license on existing code. Yes, if you don't adhere to the license's terms when copying code, it is stealing.

I know, which is why I wanted to clarify precisely what Microsoft is being accused of (I may have worded it poorly). The tone I was getting from OP (the Twitter discussion) was that the code taken was something Microsoft did not have any right to use in the way they did, not something that could be solved by attribution. "stole my code" may be strictly accurate (as if you don't follow the licence, you don't have a li…

> The tone I was getting from OP (the Twitter discussion) was that the code taken was something Microsoft did not have any right to use in the way they did, not something that could be solved by attribution.

> "If they are going to steal code without crediting the original author" which, to me, initially read as saying it's still stealing even if it was credited.

Attribution alone doesn't bring it into compliance. The copyright notices have to be preserved too.

Also, the rewriting of commit history, if true, sounds more shady than mere "Oops, I dropped the license and copyright texts".

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by mistermann »

richardwhiuk wrote: post #723
mistermann wrote: post #182

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> I have a lot of faith in this acquisition. My software team is growing fast and we have so many little problems that feel like they should be solved at the GitHub layer but the solutions aren't there. Microsoft will fix that. I'm pretty strongly opposed to the petty naysayers and partisan Microsoft bashing, and I'm definitely firmly embedded in the Microsoft camp from a toolset perspective, but I'm very, very far a…

No company sweats the details. It's basically a massive money sink for no perceivable upside. People used to think that Apple did, and now there's a post every four weeks about how bad Apple's QA is because there's a bug if you post an obscure character in a language used by Google's customer support is famously useless, and Microsoft has a ton of bugs. At some point someone will find a mythical company which cares a…

> No company sweats the details.

Interesting. Do they do it to precisely the same level? As in, all software organizations, and all individual pieces of software, have the same levels of bugs and usability?

If that's the case, would it also be safe to presume that compared to Github remaining independent, under Microsoft they will (or will not, as the case may be) release the same new features, on the same timeline, with the same number of bugs, etc?

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by oehpr »

Someone1234 wrote: post #247
netsec_burn wrote: post #111

I still see Microsoft's predictable behavior in 2018. I have a friend who owns a Surface, and I was thinking it would be useful to put Linux on it (it was older ARM hardware). Well you can't, it's a Surface RT and Microsoft not only locks the bootloader but it also only runs Microsoft approved apps. That's their endgame whenever possible. Apparently people didn't like having fully locked down computers and they disco…

The Surface RT was discontinued in 2015, and was manufactured in 2012. Is this an six year old anecdote? Sorry, but these days I feel like there are more anecdotes involving the Surface RT to prove that "Microsoft hates Linux" than there are actual Surface RT devices still in active usage, but yet people still eat this stuff up. > That's their endgame whenever possible. Their "endgame" was six years ago and hasn't co…

I swear I heard a statement exactly to this effect in 2012.

Something about how Microsoft is changed and how unfair it was people were continuing to judge it by it's actions in the past.

What an endlessly forgiving position you have adopted.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by GordonS »

Touche wrote: post #92

If you're wondering why they bought GitHub, it's here: > Second, we will accelerate enterprise developers’ use of GitHub, with our direct sales and partner channels and access to Microsoft’s global cloud infrastructure and services. This is it. At one time Microsoft used to dominate enterprise software development in certain areas (most of the east coast in the U.S.) to such a degree that it was almost impossible to…

> Their biggest failure was TFS. At one time all .NET shops used it. But then git crept in and the rest is history.

TFS certainly used to be a horrible product, and I still hate working with TFVC. But Visual Studio Online, their cloud version of TFS, really is a fantastic product, and even let's you host Git repos. The CI and CD features are extremely powerful too.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by distances »

slrz wrote: post #637
distances wrote: post #327

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I really liked the Maemo and Meego phones that got released, but your scenario would not have happened. Nokia's DNA was not in software development, and they couldn't really compete with Google on that. Furthermore, Nokia wouldn't have shared a successful OS with others like Google did if they had one. That meant all other manufacturers were going to stay with Android, and I greatly doubt that they would've succeeded…

> Nokia wouldn't have shared a successful OS with others like Google did if they had one But that was exactly the plan. When they cooperated with Intel to build Meego, the resulting OS was available to all other handset manufacturers and there were test suites in the work for vendors to be able to claim Meego compat, just as with Android. The Meego OS was actually quite solid and very nice to develop for. Its major p…

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Nokia's plan to make Meego open-source but keep their own UI layer closed? I may be misremembering things as it was a while ago, but there was some catch to keep Nokia the main player.

As for the adoption among developers, it never had a wide enough release to even start with that. N9 was available in limited countries only, and after Nokia's WP announcement.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by GordonS »

foepys wrote: post #601
foobarbazetc wrote: post #383

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Or they lock down the Enterprise version to Azure...

I don't think they will. They will most likely want to replace Team Foundation Server with GitHub Enterprise. There might not be a special AWS image anymore but a lot of developer teams rely on the on-premises variant of TFS.

Honestly, I hope not - over the years, TFS has turned from a turd into something good - Visual Studio Online, Microsoft's hosted version of TFS, really is a great product. It lets you use Git for source control and provides excellent backlog and CI/CD features - I don't often get evangelical about a product, but it really is a joy to use.

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Post by TuringNYC »

bigmanwalter wrote: post #759
TuringNYC wrote: post #744

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Same thing here! I thought I had gone crazy until I started interacting with more more people online that had the same exact problem. Honestly, it became an obsession to figure out for me because I started feeling stupid not being able to figure it out...turns out there was no way out of this corner case! Microsoft bought Skype in May 2011 for $8.5 billion. Think about the magnitude of dysfunction for a post-merger i…

I can hardly imagine what level of dysfunction is possible in an organisation as large as Microsoft. I have only worked in small companies, less than 30 employees, and my mind has already been blown.

Fair enough w/r/t the company size...but...how is it I dont have these types of authentication issues in the Google universe, or Facebook Universe? It isn't like I need a separate login for Youtube vs Google Sheets vs Google Drive vs Duo vs GChat. It suggests that it can work if the organization tries to do it correctly.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by GordonS »

ethbro wrote: post #58

From a financial perspective, any purchasing company with enterprise sales / support experience is a great fit. Having MS backing GitHub suddenly makes it a feasible option for a lot of conservative enterprise customers.

Those enterprise customers are probably already using Visual Studio Online, which already gives you the best of both worlds - Git for source control, superb backlog and CI/CD features, and ADFS authentication.

IMO, for private repos, VSO is far superior to GitHub.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by efskap »

bsg75 wrote: post #564
Nullabillity wrote: post #548

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But it's not a drop-in replacement, and it doesn't have any of the GUI bits.

Would the GUI bits be useful on a non-Windows platform?

Think this is the only other alternative for cross plat guis if you don't want to pull in non-.net stuff like qt or electron. https://github.com/AvaloniaUI/Avalonia

So yeah.

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