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Re: Apple introduces macOS Mojave

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Post by dewey » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 7:41 PM UTC

janlukacs wrote: post #25

dewey wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you seen the part where you can easily port iOS apps to macOS that was probably in the making for a few years? That's pretty huge for a developer conference. Changes to the app store to make discovery easier and feature more developer stories also have a huge impact on Mac/iOS developers and their revenue.

Is that an OS update? Do you really need iOS apps on the Mac? How about having decent apps in the actual native apps store?

Why do you need a major OS update every year? It's been a few years now that they are incremental with small improvements and fixes and not major changes that force people to change the way they use the system.

They obviously can't put all the under-the-hood changes on the slides as there's probably a ton of stability fixes and hardening going on behind the scenes.

There are good iOS apps for a lot of things, if they can easily be adapted to run on the Mac as they demonstrated by porting the News app it can only be good for the ecosystem. The apps won't look like they are running in an iOS simulator and you use a mouse pointer to do touch actions. It'll be a normal native app that shares code with iOS.

Re: Apple introduces macOS Mojave

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Post by mrisoli » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 7:41 PM UTC

jumelles wrote: post #6

I'm continually amazed at how much Apple hypes up the most pointless, useless, basic things. This is a new version of a major operating system, and we get... the desktop organized by filetype. A built-in stock application. How is an App Store update considered part of an OS update?

I find it amusing, my friends and I continuously joke Apple-style hype pitches for mundane things like airline safety videos.

But otherwise, it's pretty cringy not only seeing them demo the new animoji stuff as well as people frantically clapping.

Re: Apple introduces macOS Mojave

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Post by Analemma_ » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 7:41 PM UTC

"We know you're all very upset about our new keyboards that break and require a $700 repair if they get a grain of sand in them, so today we're announcing that the new OS is named after a desert.

We're Apple! We hate you, and you're going to keep buying it regardless."

Re: Apple introduces macOS Mojave

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Post by galad87 » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 7:42 PM UTC

0x0 wrote: post #33

Wow, they are DEPRECATING OpenGL from both macOS and iOS: https://developer.apple.com/macos/whats-new/ This is in addition to last year's announcement that "macOS High Sierra is the last version of macOS to run 32bit apps without compromise " I wonder if we will soon see a new lineage of Macbooks fitted with Apple-specific arm64 chips. The most scary thought is if UIKit-on-macOS starts requiring Developer ID entitlem…

The writing was on the wall since they stopped updating it (OpenGL) 5 years ago.

Re: Apple introduces macOS Mojave

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Post by dewey » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 7:42 PM UTC

some_account wrote: post #37

dewey wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you seen the part where you can easily port iOS apps to macOS that was probably in the making for a few years? That's pretty huge for a developer conference. Changes to the app store to make discovery easier and feature more developer stories also have a huge impact on Mac/iOS developers and their revenue.

There is so much more they could do to make it be a real developers system. They could make the system modern. Right now there is more desktop innovation in KDE for gods sake.

What are you missing that doesn't make it a "real developer system"? Can't say I ever got stopped by macOS. It mostly stays out of the way.

Re: Apple introduces macOS Mojave

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Post by derekjobst » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 7:42 PM UTC

Didn't Microsoft have an OS project called Mojave? http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2008/08/...

Re: Apple introduces macOS Mojave

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Post by saudioger » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 7:43 PM UTC

mattbrewsbytes wrote: post #20

MacOS will not be replaced by iOS, but they will bring UIKit to MacOS so you can port apps. That sounds like they are unifying the two OS's to me, or I am mis-remembering the question Tim Cook answered with a definitive No?

More like: No...t yet

Re: Apple introduces macOS Mojave

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Post by 52-6F-62 » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 7:43 PM UTC

From a publishing industry standpoint, Apple News desktop is pretty big. Especially if that means Apple News is coming to other countries (including, more specifically, Canada). And especially since they bought Texture. There's likely more to come on that front.

Re: Apple introduces macOS Mojave

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Post by erichurkman » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 7:44 PM UTC

janlukacs wrote: post #14

WWDC 2018, from underwhelming to boring. I will lose my mind if i hear *oji one more time. Will they ever stop with this nonsense? Favicons in Safari? It took them 6 years for the browser to remember the zoom setting per site, now we have the luxury of having favicons.

I wonder if they'll ever fix `localStorage` in private Safari windows. It breaks countless sites and Safari is the only browser to block it.

Re: Apple introduces macOS Mojave

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Post by janlukacs » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 7:44 PM UTC

wlesieutre wrote: post #39

janlukacs wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that an OS update? Do you really need iOS apps on the Mac? How about having decent apps in the actual native apps store?

Decent apps in the actual native store is what the UIKit port is about. It’s not iOS apps on the Mac any more than tvOS apps are iOS apps on the TV. You still need to adapt it to native UI conventions like the menu bar, you just won’t need to rebuild the entire UI from the ground up in AppKit anymore.

Let me put it another way, when was the last time you heard a user ask for an iOS app to be on the Mac? Is this what Mac users want or is it something that Apple wants?