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Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by karrotwaltz » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 2:37 PM UTC

pas wrote: post #199

evfanknitram wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because their developer tools are pretty good and finding jobs as a .NET developer is pretty easy?

It's pretty easy for non .NET jobs too. Their developer tools are pretty good for their own platform (but JetBrains actually makes great cross platform tools, some of them are proper free and open source, VSCode is playing catch up). Their C++ stdlib implementation was sucking balls for decades. Their (the dev tools') scriptability was horrible. PowerShell is nice, but it came too late, and it was too server focused.…

MSVC's stdlib is still a headache, just see the /std flag[1] which only appeared in msvc2017: you can either have C++14 with some C++17 features, or C++ "latest" which means 17 and missing features.

EDIT: just noticed the article says it was also added to 2013, but my 2015 doesn't support it so idk.

I can conceive PowerShell being good as a scripting language, but as a day to day terminal? That would my hell. And the fact that they are forcing so much on it in win10 doesn't help.

They do produce some great things sometimes, I agree, it just doesn't average out as positive IMO.

[1] https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/mt490614.aspx

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by DoofusOfDeath » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 2:37 PM UTC

lewisj489 wrote: post #14

I'm actually happy about this acquisition. For everything that all the 13 y/o "hackers" say on Reddit, this will hopefully be a great thing for the wider community.

Your post would be more interesting if you gave reasons, rather than merely stating your position.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by wilsonnb » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 2:37 PM UTC

StreamBright wrote: post #235

bad_user wrote: post #32

People keep mentioning how "Microsoft changed" due to VS Code, the Linux subsystem, .NET Core. I say that they are the same company, only with different cash cows. Haven't they spied on Windows 10 users? Do they not engage in patents racketeering? Haven't they killed Nokia and ruined Skype? " But Mom, some of the other companies are doing it too ", well yeah, but some of us don't have double standards, in spite of wh…

I am much more unhappy about the quality of their operating system. They had decades to turn it into a user friendly simple system like macos is, and failed every single time. It is outrageous that I have to delete half of the operating system to get something barely useable and the first thing when you run windows update is to put back the games and other crapware that I do not need on my devices. Is there any hope…

> It is outrageous that I have to delete half of the operating system to get something barely useable

Seriously? Windows 10 is a perfectly usable OS out of the box. I can open up the included web browser and go to whatever website I want. I can install Office, Visual Studio, a Linux subsystem, VLC, a VNC client, VirtualBox, Chrome, Firefox, and every other piece of software I need without any hassle.

Yes, there is something called "Bubble Witch 3 Saga" in my start menu that I did not install. I understand why people are upset about things like that even if I don't care.

Windows 10 has plenty of flaws that are worth pointing out, but using ridiculous hyperbole doesn't add to the conversation in a productive way.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by mikro2nd » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 2:37 PM UTC

shubhamjain wrote: post #227

bad_user wrote: post #32

People keep mentioning how "Microsoft changed" due to VS Code, the Linux subsystem, .NET Core. I say that they are the same company, only with different cash cows. Haven't they spied on Windows 10 users? Do they not engage in patents racketeering? Haven't they killed Nokia and ruined Skype? " But Mom, some of the other companies are doing it too ", well yeah, but some of us don't have double standards, in spite of wh…

Why not let things play out a little before predicting chaos? Github doesn't have the vendor lock-in that other companies have. It starts to go downhill? Just push your repo to another Git host. Yes, you'll need to figure out how to port some of your workflows, but it won't be an insurmountable pain.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

They haven't fooled me since the 1990's and they won't fool me this time.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by amarraja » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 2:38 PM UTC

I for one am quite happy about this. Github innovation seems to have stalled, now with Nat/Scott Gu at the helm there could be exciting times to come.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by manigandham » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 2:38 PM UTC

Aeolun wrote: post #286

mudetroit wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Microsoft has always been a headache. Recently its been a tiny bit better, but they still are a for-profit company that needs to continue to make a profit. Just want to point out that Github was also a "for-profit" company.

I think the difference is between 'constructive' and 'destructive' for-profit companies.

Microsoft is one of the most valuable companies on the planet because it is destructive? What’s that even mean?

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by ptx » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 2:39 PM UTC

shubhamjain wrote: post #227

bad_user wrote: post #32

People keep mentioning how "Microsoft changed" due to VS Code, the Linux subsystem, .NET Core. I say that they are the same company, only with different cash cows. Haven't they spied on Windows 10 users? Do they not engage in patents racketeering? Haven't they killed Nokia and ruined Skype? " But Mom, some of the other companies are doing it too ", well yeah, but some of us don't have double standards, in spite of wh…

Why not let things play out a little before predicting chaos? Github doesn't have the vendor lock-in that other companies have. It starts to go downhill? Just push your repo to another Git host. Yes, you'll need to figure out how to port some of your workflows, but it won't be an insurmountable pain.

That's why the "extend" phase is there in the embrace/extend/extinguish strategy - to make it an insurmountable pain to migrate elsewhere, after first having lured the users in with the "embrace" phase. Letting it play out is just what they need to move from phase 1 to phase 2.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by Aeolun » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 2:39 PM UTC

mkirklions wrote: post #128

distances wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Haven't they spied on Windows 10 users? Do they not engage in patents racketeering? Have they not killed Nokia or ruined Skype? I don't think one can say they killed Nokia. Nokia's phone business was basically doomed after Android gained traction, and Microsoft just helped the company to pivot by overpaying for that part of the business, while leaving Nokia with everything that actually was making money.

I dont like Microsoft, but I'm not sure how they killed skype. Yes there were a few dark years, but I think most IM was struggling years ago. Now skype is pretty good.

Skype still works for it's main purpose. At least they haven't removed calling, but the UI and menus are an utter mess.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by lameiam » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 2:39 PM UTC

Sorry, Nokia killed Nokia.

Re: Microsoft acquires Github

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Post by AnnoyingSwede » Mon, Jun 04, 2018, 2:39 PM UTC

My main consern is what will happen to projects hosted that MS would consider questionable repos, such as rootkits for consoles, open source drivers for their own proprietary hardware.. I expect a lot of data to be purged.