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Re: The Overprotected American Child

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Post by civilitty »

wallace_f wrote: post #23
ghaff wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, although that study suggests the big declines have been with things like choking and burns among very young children. I don't think anyone is arguing for more dangerous products or getting rid of safety precautions for toddlers. That study also suggests more vehicle-related accidents but it's hard to know what to make of that without knowing more about the type of accidents, population patterns, etc.

>I don't think anyone is arguing for more dangerous products or safety precautions for toddlers. Maybe some people think that way. Colloquially, I've heard about a million times Europeans laugh at how ridiculous they think some laws are in that regard, such as Kinder eggs being banned in America.

It's not the eggs that are banned, the FDA bans the practice of putting inedible objects fully encased in edible things in general. I loved me my Kinder Surprise when I was a kid but I don't think that's an unreasonable restriction when it comes to products marketed towards children (I don't know if it applies across the board or only to things marketed at children). Kinder has introduced an American version now where the egg is split vertically into two halves - one half has the chocolate and the other half has the toy so that there's no risk of accidentally eating it. I'm not sure if they do the assembly required toys for the American version but I see the eggs everywhere now.

Re: The Overprotected American Child

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Post by ghaff »

JackCh wrote: post #30
wallace_f wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I don't think anyone is arguing for more dangerous products or safety precautions for toddlers. Maybe some people think that way. Colloquially, I've heard about a million times Europeans laugh at how ridiculous they think some laws are in that regard, such as Kinder eggs being banned in America.

Are kinder eggs actually a dangerous product, or are they just getting swept up by broader American legislation? It's my understanding the American law preventing the importation of kinder eggs is a law against inedible objects from being embedded inside edible objects, which seems generally reasonable. Generally. But are Kinder eggs actually dangerous? Are many European children dying because of Kinder eggs specific…

Very unusual but apparently it can happen: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/kinder-egg-t...

Re: The Overprotected American Child

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Post by watwut »

aphextron wrote: post #25

You can always tell when someone grew up like this. They are always afraid of doing anything that might even remotely be considered outside the box. They lack that ability and drive to find things out for themselves, and instead rely on others for help and guidance to a fault. Professional occupations are full of these people who were coddled from birth, through college, and straight into a high paying job with zero…

If they ended in high paying profession and are reasonably happy then maybe their decision to follow advice given to them was right.

Re: The Overprotected American Child

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Post by watwut »

JackCh wrote: post #29
Pinckney wrote: post #11

As a counterpoint, Canada (and presumably the US too) has seen a dramatic decrease in unintentional injury mortality among children over the last 70 years. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28026710

Has there been any change in the rate of depression or other mental disorders in minors, and if so, is loss of autonomy one of the factors in this?

It is hard to say, since we diagnose more then before. Anecdotally, some say that yes there is such rise. Then again, teenagers are now less violent then before, commit less serious crime, get pregnant less often and take drugs less.

It is hard to weight those against each other.

Re: The Overprotected American Child

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Post by ShabbosGoy »

watwut wrote: post #34
aphextron wrote: post #25

You can always tell when someone grew up like this. They are always afraid of doing anything that might even remotely be considered outside the box. They lack that ability and drive to find things out for themselves, and instead rely on others for help and guidance to a fault. Professional occupations are full of these people who were coddled from birth, through college, and straight into a high paying job with zero…

If they ended in high paying profession and are reasonably happy then maybe their decision to follow advice given to them was right.

Until some minor setback happens. Then they have a mental breakdown.

Re: The Overprotected American Child

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Post by Luc »

ghaff wrote: post #33
JackCh wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are kinder eggs actually a dangerous product, or are they just getting swept up by broader American legislation? It's my understanding the American law preventing the importation of kinder eggs is a law against inedible objects from being embedded inside edible objects, which seems generally reasonable. Generally. But are Kinder eggs actually dangerous? Are many European children dying because of Kinder eggs specific…

Very unusual but apparently it can happen: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/kinder-egg-t...

Note she choked on the toy, not on the egg. That could have happened with a US-friendly 'chocolate egg with toy not inside it' packaging as well.

The egg has been redesigned some years ago. The two parts now stay attached together.

Re: The Overprotected American Child

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Post by DoreenMichele »

watwut wrote: post #34
aphextron wrote: post #25

You can always tell when someone grew up like this. They are always afraid of doing anything that might even remotely be considered outside the box. They lack that ability and drive to find things out for themselves, and instead rely on others for help and guidance to a fault. Professional occupations are full of these people who were coddled from birth, through college, and straight into a high paying job with zero…

If they ended in high paying profession and are reasonably happy then maybe their decision to follow advice given to them was right.

So you are okay with people with no spine basically running this country? Because that's what high paying professionals typically do. It may not be politics, but they typically have a lot of power and their spinelessness impacts a lot more people than just themselves.

I don't think this is at all a good thing.

Re: The Overprotected American Child

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Post by awinder »

cabaalis wrote: post #27
awinder wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, you are trying to lump state-sponsored attacks on democratic institutions in with opinion pieces that you disagree with, which is not only disengenous but also very very dangerous.

Fake news may not be the correct term. Astroturfing? Either way, no need to attack the person asking the question.

Faciciously asking that question is very much an active strategy to downplay & dilute the term. And astroturfing is monied interests dressing up as grassroots. An article in a paper expressing an opinion, accompanied by some body of research, is journalism.

I also didn’t really mean that to be attacking, I possibly attributed malice to misunderstanding so if that’s what happened I apologize

Re: The Overprotected American Child

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Post by toomuchtodo »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #38
watwut wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they ended in high paying profession and are reasonably happy then maybe their decision to follow advice given to them was right.

So you are okay with people with no spine basically running this country? Because that's what high paying professionals typically do. It may not be politics, but they typically have a lot of power and their spinelessness impacts a lot more people than just themselves. I don't think this is at all a good thing.

Luckily, these people rarely have enough confidence to stay in positions of real responsibility.
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