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Re: The Overprotected American Child

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Post by drblast » Sat, Jun 02, 2018, 4:41 PM UTC

notadoc wrote: post #7

detaro wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN explicitly allows circumventable paywalls, please don't pollute discussions with complaints about them. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html > Are paywalls ok? > It's ok to post stories from sites with paywalls that have workarounds. > In comments, it's ok to ask how to read an article and to help other users do so. But please don't post complaints about paywalls. Those are off topic.

OK, so what's the workaround to read this behind a paywall?

Open in private tab.

(Shh.)

Re: The Overprotected American Child

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Post by na85 » Sat, Jun 02, 2018, 4:44 PM UTC

drblast wrote: post #21

notadoc wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK, so what's the workaround to read this behind a paywall?

Open in private tab. (Shh.)

Doesn't work for me on Firefox.

Re: The Overprotected American Child

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Post by wallace_f » Sat, Jun 02, 2018, 4:50 PM UTC

ghaff wrote: post #20

Pinckney wrote: post #11

As a counterpoint, Canada (and presumably the US too) has seen a dramatic decrease in unintentional injury mortality among children over the last 70 years. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28026710

Yes, although that study suggests the big declines have been with things like choking and burns among very young children. I don't think anyone is arguing for more dangerous products or getting rid of safety precautions for toddlers. That study also suggests more vehicle-related accidents but it's hard to know what to make of that without knowing more about the type of accidents, population patterns, etc.

>I don't think anyone is arguing for more dangerous products or safety precautions for toddlers.

Maybe some people think that way. Colloquially, I've heard about a million times Europeans laugh at how ridiculous they think some laws are in that regard, such as Kinder eggs being banned in America.

Re: The Overprotected American Child

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Post by hurricaneSlider » Sat, Jun 02, 2018, 4:54 PM UTC

notadoc wrote: post #7

detaro wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN explicitly allows circumventable paywalls, please don't pollute discussions with complaints about them. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html > Are paywalls ok? > It's ok to post stories from sites with paywalls that have workarounds. > In comments, it's ok to ask how to read an article and to help other users do so. But please don't post complaints about paywalls. Those are off topic.

OK, so what's the workaround to read this behind a paywall?

Bypass Paywalls v1.2.5 by Adam

Re: The Overprotected American Child

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Post by aphextron » Sat, Jun 02, 2018, 4:55 PM UTC

You can always tell when someone grew up like this. They are always afraid of doing anything that might even remotely be considered outside the box. They lack that ability and drive to find things out for themselves, and instead rely on others for help and guidance to a fault. Professional occupations are full of these people who were coddled from birth, through college, and straight into a high paying job with zero understanding of how life actually works. It makes relating to someone like that almost impossible.

Re: The Overprotected American Child

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Post by ballenf » Sat, Jun 02, 2018, 4:58 PM UTC

Pinckney wrote: post #11

As a counterpoint, Canada (and presumably the US too) has seen a dramatic decrease in unintentional injury mortality among children over the last 70 years. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28026710

Valid point, but we should also therefore include suicides in adults where it resulted from childhood anxiety issues caused by overprotectiveness.

Re: The Overprotected American Child

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Post by cabaalis » Sat, Jun 02, 2018, 5:04 PM UTC

awinder wrote: post #17

Waterluvian wrote: post #6

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Geez, that article really felt light on examination, then bam, "the solution is obvious, tax the rich more!" And why wouldn't they compare the US to other countries like Canada, Germany, UK, France, etc. ? We all already know that the Nordic countries really have their act together and are effectively a cherry picked example. Maybe I'm being paranoid but is this what fake news looks like? The whole point of the artic…

No, you are trying to lump state-sponsored attacks on democratic institutions in with opinion pieces that you disagree with, which is not only disengenous but also very very dangerous.

Fake news may not be the correct term. Astroturfing? Either way, no need to attack the person asking the question.

Re: The Overprotected American Child

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Post by ghaff » Sat, Jun 02, 2018, 5:10 PM UTC

wallace_f wrote: post #23

ghaff wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, although that study suggests the big declines have been with things like choking and burns among very young children. I don't think anyone is arguing for more dangerous products or getting rid of safety precautions for toddlers. That study also suggests more vehicle-related accidents but it's hard to know what to make of that without knowing more about the type of accidents, population patterns, etc.

>I don't think anyone is arguing for more dangerous products or safety precautions for toddlers. Maybe some people think that way. Colloquially, I've heard about a million times Europeans laugh at how ridiculous they think some laws are in that regard, such as Kinder eggs being banned in America.

As with many things, there's probably a lot of focus on edge cases about which reasonable people can disagree. Bucky balls were another recent case. And then there's the sheaf of safety warnings that come with every product and no one ever reads. But, mostly, getting rid of small parts in toddler toys, avoiding sharp edges, baby monitors, etc. are probably significant net positives for safety without a whole lot of downside.

Re: The Overprotected American Child

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Post by JackCh » Sat, Jun 02, 2018, 5:10 PM UTC

Pinckney wrote: post #11

As a counterpoint, Canada (and presumably the US too) has seen a dramatic decrease in unintentional injury mortality among children over the last 70 years. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28026710

Has there been any change in the rate of depression or other mental disorders in minors, and if so, is loss of autonomy one of the factors in this?

Re: The Overprotected American Child

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Post by JackCh » Sat, Jun 02, 2018, 5:13 PM UTC

wallace_f wrote: post #23

ghaff wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, although that study suggests the big declines have been with things like choking and burns among very young children. I don't think anyone is arguing for more dangerous products or getting rid of safety precautions for toddlers. That study also suggests more vehicle-related accidents but it's hard to know what to make of that without knowing more about the type of accidents, population patterns, etc.

>I don't think anyone is arguing for more dangerous products or safety precautions for toddlers. Maybe some people think that way. Colloquially, I've heard about a million times Europeans laugh at how ridiculous they think some laws are in that regard, such as Kinder eggs being banned in America.

Are kinder eggs actually a dangerous product, or are they just getting swept up by broader American legislation? It's my understanding the American law preventing the importation of kinder eggs is a law against inedible objects from being embedded inside edible objects, which seems generally reasonable. Generally. But are Kinder eggs actually dangerous? Are many European children dying because of Kinder eggs specifically?