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Re: Shutting Down Forum (GDPR)

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Post by DanBC »

TomVDB wrote: post #146
DanBC wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The response to the GDPR seems to me to be a bunch of people who fundamentally misunderstand how law works, especially in Europe, and who have a pathological relationship to regulators because their own legal system is fucked beyond all recognition. GDPR requires you to only gather the data you need; only keep it for as long as you need it; tell people what you're doing with it; and allow them to correct it if it's w…

Read the nightmare letter. How hard is it to reply to just “a few” questions like that?

You point people to the privacy policy. The Nightmare letter is mostly bullshit scaremongering.

Re: Shutting Down Forum (GDPR)

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Post by bigbugbag »

ashelmire wrote: post #83

Could/should probably ignore GPDR requests if your business operations are entirely US based, whether or not anyone from the EU uses your site. US national sovereignty doesn't disappear because the EU says jump. We are not bound by the laws of governments other than our own. You can probably ignore them anyway if you aren't a big company. With millions of these troll letters going around (and probably getting ignored…

YANAL and this advice looks like it's calling for bad things to happen.

Re: Shutting Down Forum (GDPR)

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Post by DanBC »

TomVDB wrote: post #142
DanBC wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The nightmare letter is bogus scaremongering bullshit. THe forum owner should just i) post a link to the privacy policy (which surely explains things like legitimate needs) and ii) supplies a copy of the data being held.

This is so incredibly tonedeaf: do you honestly think that small hobby-scale websites have a privacy policy?

How are they complying with eg US COPPA, which carries a penalty of $40,000 per infringement?

Re: Shutting Down Forum (GDPR)

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Post by blackbrokkoli »

bigbugbag wrote: post #237
blub wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're shutting down because they're privacy-ignorant and that doesn't fly in the EU any more. People apparently have a hard enough time understanding invisible things such as privacy, but this goes double for those whose income depends on violating the privacy of everyone.

Can you provide examples of websites shutting down due to GDPR ?

Well, drone.io?

Re: Shutting Down Forum (GDPR)

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Post by DanBC »

TomVDB wrote: post #194
Jommi wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? So just because you're small scale you can ignore people's privacy?

There’s a big difference between ignoring somebody’s privacy and having an official lawyered document that spells them out. I’m sorry that this is a distinction you weren’t able to make.

It doesn't have to be lawyered.

Re: Shutting Down Forum (GDPR)

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Post by setquk »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #46

I"m not really a fan of the GDPR. I don't think it really protects privacy. I think it just uses the power of the EU, a fairly big and strong organization, to intimidate the rest of the world to comply with laws that it really shouldn't have legal jurisdiction to enforce globally. I think this is a scary precedent to set that the biggest bully on the block can de facto enforce such standards because the rest of the w…

The GDPR exists because everyone has been a dick because they know they can get away with it. By default the mentality is take take take. Now the business models built on that are being trashed. If someone keeps burgling your house they need to go to prison. Simple as. Time is up for this way of thinking.

It is not difficult to be compliant. Most people don’t bother because they are drama queens or hiding what their business is really based on and the latter is usually not ethical by any manor and deserve to be shoved off a cliff.

People will have to do some real innovation instead of selling off data and working out how to attract people into a product that exists only to do that really.

Re: Shutting Down Forum (GDPR)

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Post by zerostar07 »

simion314 wrote: post #213
zerostar07 wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

by comparison, you literally don't need to do anything to implement DMCA, except perhaps respond to emails. (I wonder why this is contestable? DMCA is an afterthought, GDPR requires a lot of actual work to implement even if you process minimal data like IPs)

Same for GDPR, you just respond to the users with "I don't collect anything on my website". Now if you collect and track you may want to inform the users and let them opt-out. GDPR is similar in a way with the Don't spam me laws, I assume you had to write code to respect this law and I did not see people complaining that they need to write code to respect that law. Or you can not do business with EU citizens.

You haven't read it, i presume. The implementation requires a lot more than that.

Re: Shutting Down Forum (GDPR)

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Post by merb »

raziel2p wrote: post #211
notacoward wrote: post #92

From the prototype letter: "I am a customer of yours." Not until you pay me, you're not. Yes, Mr. Well Actually, I know that the law says otherwise, and that's exactly why the law is FUBAR.

Are you implying that free services like Facebook should be exempt from privacy laws like GDPR?

Well if you know that Facebook is bad, why did people even register in the first place? Or put their whole life onto it?

It's ok if the privacy law only gone against stuff like analytics or horrible facebook buttons that even collected stuffs from people who clearly weren't users. i.e. tracking especially tracking outside their "domain"

however GDPR goes against all and anything. I mean if I go to a supermarkt I can't just tell the supermarkt owner to shut down all his cameras until I leave the store, he would basically just kick me off his market (which actually is his right in the EU). However the EU somehow made a solution that actually even goes against their own market principles just to have extreme amount of Privacy in the internet (only in the internet, their own institutions can still collect data, i.e. in germany the ard has tons of data about everybody) and this is my problem with the GDPR, it's a law from people who actually just want to hurt the big us internet companies. The law also was made by a lot of people without any clear technical background (there were some, but they were a minority)

Re: Shutting Down Forum (GDPR)

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Post by codedokode »

drcode wrote: post #33

I don't know why all these websites are shutting down due to GDPR when all you have to do is hire a competent law firm with GDPR compliance expertise to review your software and help you determine if any parts need to change to become compliant and also help you address any GDPR requests.

Even before GDPR, one could receive a DMCA request, an US court order, a letter from FBI, a letter from NSA. It didn't prevent people from creating websites though. GDPR requests are definitely less scary than a letter from NSA or an US court order: nobody will put you into jail for non-compliance, kidnap you or send a drone to you.
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