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Re: Shutting Down Forum (GDPR)

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Goes to show that when an industry does not self-regulate, it gets over-regulated, which often disproportionately benefits incumbents, which incentivizes future lack of self regulation.

Not exactly. GDPR only applies to the EU. China isn't going to rewrite its laws to make the EU happy and mirror GDPR, neither is the US.

It's more accurate to say that when an industry doesn't self-regulate, the EU over-regulates and shoots themselves in the face. The US and China will race even further out ahead accordingly.

In the US I can easily unleash a large user data hungry AI at will, experimenting all day long with anything and everything I can come up with. I can screw with people's data in countless ways, without their permission. While this haven exists, I can rapidly learn and come up with technology and services that tech companies in the EU can't risk attempting and won't bother to contemplate.

To the point: you can still push every edge of the AI revolution in the US and China, to see what's there. That revolution is heavily built on user data. In the EU, you're in a straight-jacket at the very beginning of the revolution (one that is guaranteed to only get tighter), many years before we've even seriously begun experimenting with the fertile soil. They're fucked, the world will be dominated by AI that comes out of either the US or China, or both.

Re: Shutting Down Forum (GDPR)

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This is so incredibly tonedeaf: do you honestly think that small hobby-scale websites have a privacy policy?

Do you believe that hobbyists must not follow laws & regulations when they interact with the public?

Private and general aviation have a different set of regulations. Small and large aircraft have a different set if regulations.

I’ll let you figure out the rest.

Re: Shutting Down Forum (GDPR)

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>If you want none of your personal info on the web, I have a suggestion: Don't participate in forums, social media, etc. Facebook and other data aggregators build profiles of you even if you don't participate directly in those services. The web is different now than it was in 1996.

And GDPR doesnt help with that. I cannot send Facebook a request for my shadow profile, nor demand they delete all such data, as I have no way to ‘identify myself’ to them unless I have a Facebook account.

Yes there is. If your email address is in the contact list harvested by facebook when people register on the website, it is linked to your shadow profile and can be used to show the lack of explicit consent and existence of your shadow profile.

It's the path currently explored in a class action against facebook for forced consent and we'll see what happens.

Re: Shutting Down Forum (GDPR)

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I don't know why all these websites are shutting down due to GDPR when all you have to do is hire a competent law firm with GDPR compliance expertise to review your software and help you determine if any parts need to change to become compliant and also help you address any GDPR requests.

What websites are shutting down ? I have not heard of anything like this yet.

Re: Shutting Down Forum (GDPR)

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If I ran a forum for a number of years, and a person decided to close their account, that'd be fine. But if they then said that I need to remove _all of their posts_, that's really shitty. It would destroy the usefulness of a forum.

Yeah that's an interesting question about the line for GDPR and the right to be forgotten. If a user themself posts text onto a forum, I wouldn't consider that private information. If it's not private info, I wouldn't think they should be able to legally request it be deleted. That would be almost like an editor of a wikipedia article asking that it be removed. I wonder how GDPR applies.

Gdpr doesn’t have a clause for voluntary, required or accidental sharing.

If a user publishes on your forum he has disabilities, congratulations, under gdpr you just leaked user personal data of the worst kind.

Re: Shutting Down Forum (GDPR)

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I don't really see this as a GDPR troll. This guy is saying he can't manage formal GDPR requests. He's running an internet forum for christs sake. We had forums before we ever had tracking, and anonymous internet handles were practically invented on forums. What's he doing exactly that he can't answer GDPR requests with a simple "we don't collect personal information"? Of course, he probably is collecting PII, becaus…

Oh no, your email address (PII) might be compromised. How would you survive if a competent hacker could find that?

https://medium.com/@N/how-i-lost-my-50-000-twitter-username-...

Re: Shutting Down Forum (GDPR)

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post #33

I don't know why all these websites are shutting down due to GDPR when all you have to do is hire a competent law firm with GDPR compliance expertise to review your software and help you determine if any parts need to change to become compliant and also help you address any GDPR requests.

They're shutting down because they're privacy-ignorant and that doesn't fly in the EU any more. People apparently have a hard enough time understanding invisible things such as privacy, but this goes double for those whose income depends on violating the privacy of everyone.

Can you provide examples of websites shutting down due to GDPR ?

Re: Shutting Down Forum (GDPR)

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I ran a forum for a number of years, and a person decided to close their account, that'd be fine. But if they then said that I need to remove _all of their posts_, that's really shitty. It would destroy the usefulness of a forum.

> If I ran a forum for a number of years, and a person decided to close their account, that'd be fine. But if they then said that I need to remove _all of their posts_, that's really shitty. > It would destroy the usefulness of a forum. Couldn't you just anonymize their posts, for instance by updating their username to something like "Deleted User"? Wouldn't you be fine as long as there wasn't anything left to link t…

What if some used quoted another user without the quote function? Or took a snippet from a user as forum signature?

Those are easily handled but still if you are a hobbist it’s just too much hassle.

Re: Shutting Down Forum (GDPR)

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The owner says that he doesn't have time to review GDPR-related requests; that's fine. But I wonder if he would receive a US court order would he treat it the same way? What if he received a letter from NSA? A DMCA request? What if someone posted something illegal on the forum, would he ignore that as well?

It seems like he has no time only for legislation from EU.

Re: Shutting Down Forum (GDPR)

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post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're shutting down because they're privacy-ignorant and that doesn't fly in the EU any more. People apparently have a hard enough time understanding invisible things such as privacy, but this goes double for those whose income depends on violating the privacy of everyone.

Can you provide examples of websites shutting down due to GDPR ?

I only know about some US newspaper closing EU access and this guy's forum.

I'm sure we'll get a separate thread for each site that's closing, to emphasize how the (advertising) world is ending, one just needs to wait.

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