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The birthrate in the U.S. is the lowest it’s been in 30 years

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Re: The birthrate in the U.S. is the lowest it’s been in 30 years

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Post by AIX2ESXI »

maroonblazer wrote: post #77
AIX2ESXI wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read a lot of studies and listen to political scientist lectures who draw the same conclusions that I do (Charles Murray. Victor David Hanson). Most times, I am too lazy to link to the case studies or books that discuss my points. Guilty as charged for having strong opinions; however, when I try to discuss them I am attacked, vilified and down voted into oblivion. Do this often enough and you will start to get rese…

I'm pretty familiar with Murray but you seem to be taking some of his claims and making them a self-fulfilling prophecy. Aim higher.

Thanks for the insight, was not trying to do that, but in review I certainly did. Always trying to aim higher. Can you recommend any good political science or demographic books beside from author William Strauss? My intention is really to understand to understand the chaos around me. Forgive me for coming off steamed, but as I was an orphan as a child and was a ward of the court until I was emancipated at age 18. State Bureaucracies, Social trends, Demographics, Poverty and Education were elements that shaped my life and continue to fascinate me and instill a desire to seek answers. truly being genuine here.

Re: The birthrate in the U.S. is the lowest it’s been in 30 years

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Post by Programmer88 »

throw_this_one wrote: post #78
sbinthree wrote: post #46

As a 24 year old married man sitting in the nursery with my premature son, I feel truly sad that more people cannot experience this. I don't have a house, I rent my apartment, we share a car and we both (were) working. So what? Time marches on. So many people seem cynical about having kids or doing anything else involving sacrificing happiness for meaning. And yet people complain of indulgence and a lack of meaning?…

People shouldn't have kids if they're not ready. If a guy has a kid with a woman and then they get divorced in 5 years. That kid will turn out worse. Also, if everybody has kids early, the population of the world is going to rise above the carrying capacity of the planet. Which will cause future famines, wars, etc. Finally, maybe other people derive meaning from other things. What life experiences would you have had…

Our population growth comes almost entirely from Africa. Africans who are aware of this are quite happy with the thought of the world becoming more Africanized (most people like themselves, even if their societies aren't known for being super productive or well run). They won't stop having children any time soon.

Ironically, the genes being selected out of the gene pool are the genes of people in productive and highly organized societies. Especially those genes that lend themselves towards selflessness and universal empathy/friendliness.

What I mean is, you aren't doing the world a favor by not having children.

If you want to enjoy your money and play Nintendo Switch in lieu of passing on your genes, that's fine. But it's not a moral high ground.

Re: The birthrate in the U.S. is the lowest it’s been in 30 years

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Post by AIX2ESXI »

chillwaves wrote: post #51
AIX2ESXI wrote: post #9

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It is on the mind of every young person. It is becoming more common to do everything on your own. You cannot rely on a good partner to share and build a life together with. The traditional routes and social contract are broken. That is why many young people are listening to lectures on youtube and voted for nationalism. But hey, downvote me into oblivion and ridicule me, I could care less. Just sharing my insights an…

> Perhaps turning men into non toxic soy boys who salivate at being feminist activists will turn America into utopia for all. You don't deserve to be part of this discussion throwing around these phrases. This is why you are being downvoted. You contribute no value. You make the conversation worse through your participation.

I was being a dick there, I admit it. Just a subject that I am passionate about. But the thread did spiral into something else. Sometimes you just throw shit and see what sticks.

Re: The birthrate in the U.S. is the lowest it’s been in 30 years

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Post by wvenable »

orangecat wrote: post #67
wvenable wrote: post #60

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Children used to be a source of labor and providing generational wealth. Now children are a source of financial cost, not benefit, and thus it doesn't make sense for poor people to have them.

it doesn't make sense for poor people to have them I would speculate that the disincentive is larger for wealthier people. A lot of child-related expenses are for positional goods (house in a good school district, saving for college) where the price is basically "all your spare income". So if you're rich having kids means giving up awesome vacations and the option of retiring before 50; if you're poor those things we…

Having a child is literally one more mouth to feed, I hardly think the disincentive is larger for wealthy people. That's just a bizarre piece of logic.

Re: The birthrate in the U.S. is the lowest it’s been in 30 years

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Post by sametmax »

salawat wrote: post #3

There were a couple points in there that could, may, should have been left on the cutting room floor. Some good points were made however. Social Security in its original Ponzi-Schemesque form will end up even worse for wear with declining birthrates. (Not saying Social Security is bad in concept, but it only works in times of sharp population growth, and even then, banking on the youth to carry you just because seems…

Also a lot of people don't want children. It's a lot of responsabilities and constraints, so you need to feel the desired for it.

The new generation grew with aids, feel less influenced by the authority selling the one family lifestyle and use more contraception.

Now wait for Vasalgel to take off. When males will have total control of their involvment in pregnancy, you will see the numbers go down even more. And probably some serious changes in the man/woman dynamics.

Re: The birthrate in the U.S. is the lowest it’s been in 30 years

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Post by mehwoot »

nunez wrote: post #34

Why would we have kids and suffer when we could not have kids and enjoy life to the fullest? We make just enough to have a really good life without kids or have a really stressful life with them. We don’t even have a house yet (and I mostly don’t want one, but that’s another conversation). I ran the numbers, and I didn’t like the outcome. Everyone that I know that has kids is sleep deprived, unable to do much of anyt…

On the other hand with reproducing you get to participate in the only thing unifying every organism to ever live on this planet, so there's that.

Re: The birthrate in the U.S. is the lowest it’s been in 30 years

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Post by chillwaves »

AIX2ESXI wrote: post #93
chillwaves wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Perhaps turning men into non toxic soy boys who salivate at being feminist activists will turn America into utopia for all. You don't deserve to be part of this discussion throwing around these phrases. This is why you are being downvoted. You contribute no value. You make the conversation worse through your participation.

I was being a dick there, I admit it. Just a subject that I am passionate about. But the thread did spiral into something else. Sometimes you just throw shit and see what sticks.

I am going to give some unsolicited advice to you:

Do not fall into the incel trap. Do not start hating women.

Hate society if you want, understand that due to your perspective as a guy, you will fixate on what is wrong with women but what is wrong with women is what is wrong with society at large, the bias of your perspective aside.

Focus on yourself, toughen up and learn to accept rejection and just meet as many women as you can. That is the only path to success. Do you think those bitter incels are celebrating their misogyny? Sure, but only through their tears.

That life is not worth it. It is harder to build yourself up than tear other people down but more worthwhile.

Re: The birthrate in the U.S. is the lowest it’s been in 30 years

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Post by xxxdarrenxxx »

Tohhou wrote: post #52
kartan wrote: post #41

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> There is a theory that the root cause of these problems is the continued dismantling of traditional gender roles. Except that Japan has kept traditional gender roles, where the woman leaves her job when marries, and they have one of the lower fertility rates in the world. At the same time, Sweden with very strong gender equality has a higher fertility rate than other European countries. Even that it is still low co…

Western countries have lower rates than Japan when you exclude for native birth rates. Western countries get a big boost in birth rate when you account for non-natives having population booms.

There is research hinting that we prefer/are more inclined to mate and is beneficial to mix the genes. Evidently the opposite is incest and the direct result is not desirable.

Re: The birthrate in the U.S. is the lowest it’s been in 30 years

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Post by xxxdarrenxxx »

I miss one factor and that is egocentrism. Why have children if you have your inner child still being enticed to all that is.

This era is marked with individualiTy. What is the statistic on entrepreneurs, on indie developers to name a few. How many people would play (video) games in their 20's all day in previous generations.

I seriously think this factor is heavily overlooked.

Showing pictures of your kids was the defacto social exchange, now it's showing pictures of yourself.

Many parents report a "hole", a lack of identity or general anxiety after kids leave the nest. This suggests raising kids means it requires a lot less me time.

I also suspect life-behind-a-screen is an accomplice to this somewhere in the equation.

Tldr; The selfie way

Re: The birthrate in the U.S. is the lowest it’s been in 30 years

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Post by anoncoward111 »

seem_2211 wrote: post #11

I think it's cutting in at both ends of the economic spectrum as well. For millennials the world over you have a choice in your early twenties - you can get a degree, move to a big city and focus on your career. This means you probably get married/start settling down closer to 30, and limit yourself at 1-2 children (if any). Or you can stay closer to where you grew up and focus on your family at a younger age. The Am…

you could buy a reasonable home for about $229,000 in many areas with some jobs, but even that is still a massive financial burden that is not easily solved with "just get some tenants"

Back in the day, house prices were 1 year's salary. Now it's more like 6-7 years of salary, with a high tax assessment and no job security or pensions too.

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