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Thanksgiving Got Shorter After the 2016 Election, Study Says

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Re: Thanksgiving Got Shorter After the 2016 Election, Study Says

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Racists do not

That is your opinion, and you are free to it. However at this point "racists" organized and wound up controlling Congress, the Senate, the Presidency and the Supreme Court. The people that you'd like to ignore are currently running the place. Ignoring them might not be the best idea...

It's pretty unlikely that any dyed-in-the-wool Republican is going to hear your rational argument and be so astonished at your doctrine that he changes his mind.

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When your grandfather says racist shit about your girlfriend you might start understanding.

Racism isn't a political issue, it's accepted that it is a bad thing.

Except that it's amazing how many people will say racist things after disclaiming, "this may not be politically correct...[insert racist garbage here]"

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I disagree. Lots of people think it's perfectly acceptable to say terrible things about (people they think are) Mexican. You can readily predict the political alignment of the people who do think such things are acceptable. I would not be surprised if their behavior extended to other groups, such as Muslims. Additionally, a subset of these people also believe that it should be socially acceptable to say disparaging t…

An individual's drug addiction is not a political issue, even though it predicts their political leanings around drug legalization. An individual's racism or xenophobia is not a political issue, even though it predicts their political leanings around immigration.

If politicians 1) talk about something a lot, and 2) take separate sides of the matter, then it's a political issue.

Drug addiction absolutely is a political issue, and a hot one at that. Same with race issues and immigration. White bread or wheat would be an example of a non-political issue.

It's possible that you live in a country where these are not political issues, but I'm from the USA and these topics are discussed by politicians on a daily basis. They have the secret to fixing the heroin issue, or the immigration crisis, or the Muslim terrorists, etc.

Re: Thanksgiving Got Shorter After the 2016 Election, Study Says

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That is your opinion, and you are free to it. However at this point "racists" organized and wound up controlling Congress, the Senate, the Presidency and the Supreme Court. The people that you'd like to ignore are currently running the place. Ignoring them might not be the best idea...

It's pretty unlikely that any dyed-in-the-wool Republican is going to hear your rational argument and be so astonished at your doctrine that he changes his mind.

Actually it is surprisingly likely..IF you're willing to do the hard work of moral reframing to put it from their views and values. See https://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/15/opinion/sunday/the-key-to... for more about that.

That said, few people of any political persuasion are able to engage in that exercise.

Re: Thanksgiving Got Shorter After the 2016 Election, Study Says

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That is your opinion, and you are free to it. However at this point "racists" organized and wound up controlling Congress, the Senate, the Presidency and the Supreme Court. The people that you'd like to ignore are currently running the place. Ignoring them might not be the best idea...

It's pretty unlikely that any dyed-in-the-wool Republican is going to hear your rational argument and be so astonished at your doctrine that he changes his mind.

Do think that Republicans are irrational? Are Democrats rational? What about Libertarians or Greens? Irrational or no?

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Ideas are expressed by people. Does every person deserve serious consideration?

To take an obvious example, I'm sure his friends thought he was a swell guy, but I don't think we need to revisit Hitler's ideas about the Jews. I don't think we need to give much serious thought to theories about moon landing hoaxes or theories about how the Earth is flat either, no matter how nice the people promulgating them may be. We are only given so much time on this Earth; I can think of better ways to spend…

Everyone I know (and know of) espouses obvious claptrap from time to time. If that is the sieve with which you denote undesirables to remove from your personal sphere, your circle either has a radius of 1 or you delude yourself about your detection abilities.

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To take an obvious example, I'm sure his friends thought he was a swell guy, but I don't think we need to revisit Hitler's ideas about the Jews. I don't think we need to give much serious thought to theories about moon landing hoaxes or theories about how the Earth is flat either, no matter how nice the people promulgating them may be. We are only given so much time on this Earth; I can think of better ways to spend…

Everyone I know (and know of) espouses obvious claptrap from time to time. If that is the sieve with which you denote undesirables to remove from your personal sphere, your circle either has a radius of 1 or you delude yourself about your detection abilities.

I don't think I've advocated shunning everyone who says something stupid once in a while.

Re: Thanksgiving Got Shorter After the 2016 Election, Study Says

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It's pretty unlikely that any dyed-in-the-wool Republican is going to hear your rational argument and be so astonished at your doctrine that he changes his mind.

Do think that Republicans are irrational? Are Democrats rational? What about Libertarians or Greens? Irrational or no?

Is that what's at issue here? I think very few people -- nearly none -- are actually open to being rationally persuaded to completely flip their political beliefs. People with completely different political commitments usually start from different axioms.

Re: Thanksgiving Got Shorter After the 2016 Election, Study Says

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It's pretty unlikely that any dyed-in-the-wool Republican is going to hear your rational argument and be so astonished at your doctrine that he changes his mind.

Actually it is surprisingly likely..IF you're willing to do the hard work of moral reframing to put it from their views and values. See https://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/15/opinion/sunday/the-key-to... for more about that. That said, few people of any political persuasion are able to engage in that exercise.

I don't think this kind of exercise is that difficult, and I get plenty of practice on HN talking to people who have very right-wing ideas about the economy. But come on; it's not a way of working miracles. You might persuade your uncle who loves Donald Trump to moderate a couple of positions; you aren't going to turn him away from the Republican Party.

This is the main reason that election campaigns have moved on and focus much more heavily on turning out their own supporters than persuading "undecided" voters, who are a statistical nullity.

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And what are you supposed to do when several of your relatives do not exercise this level of restraint and insist on steering the conversation toward politics?

why, explain vehemently just how naturally sane and correct your opposing opinion is, naturally. if they wanted the right to speak, they’d have the right politics in the first place and the really important thing is to make sure they know that

Are we talking about having a nice dinner with someone or are we talking about petulantly asserting our "rights"? Someone is well within their "rights" to not stay somewhere they are not being made welcome.
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