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Instapaper is temporarily shutting off access for European users due to GDPR

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Re: Instapaper is temporarily shutting off access for European users due to GDPR

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Post by izacus »

pfg wrote: post #61

> But because the fines are so steep — violating GDPR will cost a company 4 percent of its global turnover or $20 million, whichever is larger — no one really wants to be caught non-compliant. Can everyone just stop repeating this, pretty please? That is the maximum penalty. You'd have to try really, really hard to get that kind of penalty. For minor transgressions, you're likely to get away with a reprimand.

Blocking access to EU citizens while keeping their data in violation of GDPR sounds like a case for this maximum penalty. It doesn't seem the company is showing good faith in data protection.

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Post by danpalmer »

zerostar07 wrote: post #235
danpalmer wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have said this. a) they have said they don't want to punish companies for the sake of it, they want to use it as an incentive to fundamentally change the approach to the handling of user data. This means not suing tiny companies for more money than they are worth. b) they have said that the standards will roughly increase with the size of the company and resources it has. A company with 27 users (and few employe…

I think everyone is talking about the UK 's ICO, which is just 1 of the 28. We have heard nothing from others and its best not to make assumptions - the ICO may be following different rules in a year.

True, some of this is more from the UK ICO, but some is from the official guidance from the EU.

Re: Instapaper is temporarily shutting off access for European users due to GDPR

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Post by vertex-four »

ucaetano wrote: post #373
vertex-four wrote: post #314

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If you continue to hold data from EU residents, it’s somewhat likely that the GDPR applies, or that a court will decide it does some way down the line. If you employed a competent lawyer for about an hour they’d ask you why you’re storing that data if you’re never going to use it again, given the risks.

Holding the data or not is irrelevant, the tricky part is compliance. If the GDPR applies to you, you need to hire a DPO based in Europe, as well as having a EU contact that will be responsible for any fees that you incur. If you did business in the EU but no longer does, do you now have to hire a DPO in the EU and have a local contact responsible for any liabilities? Managing the data is the easy part.

There’s no obvious reason why you’d have to, provided you delete all data related to EU residents.

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Post by sambe »

a3_nm wrote: post #255
downandout wrote: post #171

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I feel like you’re making a bigger deal out of this than necessary, unless you’re doing some shady stuff with our data. Seeing this completely false sentiment repeated over and over again is getting exhausting. Only a tiny fraction of the companies avoiding EU traffic due to GDPR have any intention of “doing shady stuff with your data” . GDPR is highly complex, and as of tomorrow, allowing EU traffic invites massive…

> You guys chose to make your traffic radioactive Er. I vote in an EU country, but I don't feel like I "chose" anything. GDPR was mostly developed by institutions (Council of Europe, European Commission) formed of people that were not directly elected by European voters. In any case, given that personal data management issues are not a prominent part of the political discourse (even in the EU), I'd be surprised if an…

Let's stop peddling the misconception that the EU operates significantly differently than any other Western democracy. The civil servants answer ultimately to the MEPs, who are elected. Most people either do not vote or do not engage, as is the case to a lesser extent in their national elections. You can still lobby your MEP when an issue was not part of their platform.

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Post by ucaetano »

vertex-four wrote: post #383
ucaetano wrote: post #373

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Holding the data or not is irrelevant, the tricky part is compliance. If the GDPR applies to you, you need to hire a DPO based in Europe, as well as having a EU contact that will be responsible for any fees that you incur. If you did business in the EU but no longer does, do you now have to hire a DPO in the EU and have a local contact responsible for any liabilities? Managing the data is the easy part.

There’s no obvious reason why you’d have to, provided you delete all data related to EU residents.

You didn't read GDPR. Deleting isn't enough, if GDPR applies to you, you need to follow all the compliance requirements, including hiring people, providing proof of deletion if investigated, etc.

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Post by balls187 »

kingosticks wrote: post #334
balls187 wrote: post #305

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Thanks to Brexit, there is going to be a similar GDPR law for the UK. Interesting times these are.

Why is brexit relevant?

Post brexit, GDPR will no longer apply to the UK.

Re: Instapaper is temporarily shutting off access for European users due to GDPR

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Post by kingosticks »

balls187 wrote: post #386
kingosticks wrote: post #334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is brexit relevant?

Post brexit, GDPR will no longer apply to the UK.

Right. So without brexit there is this and with brexit there will be something very similar. Thank god for brexit.

Re: Instapaper is temporarily shutting off access for European users due to GDPR

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Post by balls187 »

kingosticks wrote: post #387
balls187 wrote: post #386

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Post brexit, GDPR will no longer apply to the UK.

Right. So without brexit there is this and with brexit there will be something very similar. Thank god for brexit.

Just got back from a road trip throughout Ireland, and occupied Ireland. I wonder what will happen to those two countries post brexit.

As I refer to my first comment: interesting times.

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