On a side note, should we post a link on HN which most people cannot read without paying?
Google Emerges as Early Winner from Europe’s New Data Privacy Law
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Re: Google Emerges as Early Winner from Europe’s New Data Privacy Law
#22While GDPR in itself has accomplished the goal of raising awareness on data security and transparency, probably only temporarily, the mind numbingly idiotic push-button based consent model is an utter failure. 99% of people don't read anything before they push yes. Most people get increasingly annoyed at the mountain of e-mails, and the hundreds of pages they in principle have to read through. It's an extension of th…
While all the 'yes I consent' buttons might be annoying (maybe even on a similar level to the inane cookie warnings) the real value of the GDPR lies in the granting people the right to recall that consent later and the companies being forced to comply. Facebook certainly wouldn't have an 'actually delete my profile' feature if they hadn't been forced to make it.
Re: Google Emerges as Early Winner from Europe’s New Data Privacy Law
#23GDPR is yet another moat for established companies. It may take them some time to adapt their data models and engineer systems for data deletion, but once they have done so, it becomes something every startup will have to implement in order to compete. I'm not saying GDPR isn't good for privacy (we need it); it just makes competition harder.
I don't think "startups" should be able to get away with just doing a "deleted=1" with my personal data, or to not know where my data is ending up, just because they are "startups".
There's a large distance between not knowing where your data ends up/using it badly and being actually GDPR-compliant, which in many businesses requires a massive administrative burden.
Re: Google Emerges as Early Winner from Europe’s New Data Privacy Law
#24While GDPR in itself has accomplished the goal of raising awareness on data security and transparency, probably only temporarily, the mind numbingly idiotic push-button based consent model is an utter failure. 99% of people don't read anything before they push yes. Most people get increasingly annoyed at the mountain of e-mails, and the hundreds of pages they in principle have to read through. It's an extension of th…
99% of people don't read anything before they push yes. Most people get increasingly annoyed at the mountain of e-mails, and the hundreds of pages they in principle has to read through. No offense, but this feels like a “99%” and “most” that is something less than rigorous. I don’t think sound arguments for or against GDPR can come from the “Ah Reckon” space. Throwing out made-up numbers that just represent personal…
Here's an overview of reading on the web in general: https://www.nngroup.com/articles/how-little-do-users-read/
Re: Google Emerges as Early Winner from Europe’s New Data Privacy Law
#25While GDPR in itself has accomplished the goal of raising awareness on data security and transparency, probably only temporarily, the mind numbingly idiotic push-button based consent model is an utter failure. 99% of people don't read anything before they push yes. Most people get increasingly annoyed at the mountain of e-mails, and the hundreds of pages they in principle have to read through. It's an extension of th…
99% of people don't read anything before they push yes. Most people get increasingly annoyed at the mountain of e-mails, and the hundreds of pages they in principle has to read through. No offense, but this feels like a “99%” and “most” that is something less than rigorous. I don’t think sound arguments for or against GDPR can come from the “Ah Reckon” space. Throwing out made-up numbers that just represent personal…
Thought it was pretty common knowledge that people don't read anything contractual.
Anecdotally i have never personally witnessed any other than the most academically inclined legal nerds be interested in any terms of service or legal docs. Family, university peers, user analysis from my own services - all i have ever seen is frantic clicking until people get to where they want.
Just googled and it seems i am on point:
http://www.businessinsider.com/deloitte-study-91-percent-agr...
91 percent!
Also my point is not that the GDPR is stupid. I think most of the new protections are fair. I am just pointing out that the "one button click to consent" is completely meaningless because people have no idea what they are doing, are tired, are stressed out, or just don't care (most people).
Re: Google Emerges as Early Winner from Europe’s New Data Privacy Law
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think of it like outlawing chemical pollution of rivers. Yes, a Corporation that manages not to dump toxic waste in rivers is going to have a moat against smaller companies that do dump toxic waste in rivers. But I'd rather it be illegal than have companies competing for who can externalize their costs more effectively by passing their problem of waste management to the state / local area.
The only difference is that dumping toxic waste in rivers does actual, concrete harm. Targeted advertising? The worst I’ve heard about it is that it makes some people feel a little icky. I suppose that’s a concrete harm in a sense but it seems a much less serious one, at least to me.
> The worst I’ve heard about it is that it makes some people feel a little icky.
Yeah sure, all that privacy, who needs it anyway?
/s
Re: Google Emerges as Early Winner from Europe’s New Data Privacy Law
#27GDPR is yet another moat for established companies. It may take them some time to adapt their data models and engineer systems for data deletion, but once they have done so, it becomes something every startup will have to implement in order to compete. I'm not saying GDPR isn't good for privacy (we need it); it just makes competition harder.
I'm not saying GDPR isn't good for privacy (we need it); it just makes competition harder. If easy competition is being paid for through shady practices, then it should never have been that easy. It’s a no-brainer that a large, established business has certain advantages over up-and-comers; GDPR didn’t make that the case either. It’s easier for a large, rich company to do almost anything, including respecting our pri…
> It’s easier for a large, rich company to do almost anything, including respecting our privacy as enforced by regulation or law.
And also including doing creepy things with our private data that stay just on the right side of the law.
Re: Google Emerges as Early Winner from Europe’s New Data Privacy Law
#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think of it like outlawing chemical pollution of rivers. Yes, a Corporation that manages not to dump toxic waste in rivers is going to have a moat against smaller companies that do dump toxic waste in rivers. But I'd rather it be illegal than have companies competing for who can externalize their costs more effectively by passing their problem of waste management to the state / local area.
The only difference is that dumping toxic waste in rivers does actual, concrete harm. Targeted advertising? The worst I’ve heard about it is that it makes some people feel a little icky. I suppose that’s a concrete harm in a sense but it seems a much less serious one, at least to me.
Targeted advertising provides a financial incentive to create a total surveillance structure. It pays off to know every little detail about people's psychology and their habits. So companies have a motivation to create systems that future dictatorships will happily be using.
Without targeted advertising there is much less financial incentive to collect data so the surveillance state won't get help from corporations.
Re: Google Emerges as Early Winner from Europe’s New Data Privacy Law
#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
The only difference is that dumping toxic waste in rivers does actual, concrete harm. Targeted advertising? The worst I’ve heard about it is that it makes some people feel a little icky. I suppose that’s a concrete harm in a sense but it seems a much less serious one, at least to me.
> The worst I’ve heard about it is that it makes some people feel a little icky. Yeah sure, all that privacy, who needs it anyway? /s
Its interesting how one of the most frequent uses of the right to be forgotten is used by politicians cleaning up their search history.
Who would have thought that legislators had something to gain from a proposal they push?
Re: Google Emerges as Early Winner from Europe’s New Data Privacy Law
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think of it like outlawing chemical pollution of rivers. Yes, a Corporation that manages not to dump toxic waste in rivers is going to have a moat against smaller companies that do dump toxic waste in rivers. But I'd rather it be illegal than have companies competing for who can externalize their costs more effectively by passing their problem of waste management to the state / local area.
The only difference is that dumping toxic waste in rivers does actual, concrete harm. Targeted advertising? The worst I’ve heard about it is that it makes some people feel a little icky. I suppose that’s a concrete harm in a sense but it seems a much less serious one, at least to me.
> The worst I’ve heard about it is that it makes some people feel a little icky.
The worst I've heard of was the abuse of millions of people's data by Cambridge Analytics to mess with an election, but maybe that's just a little icky too?