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Google Emerges as Early Winner from Europe’s New Data Privacy Law

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GDPR is yet another moat for established companies. It may take them some time to adapt their data models and engineer systems for data deletion, but once they have done so, it becomes something every startup will have to implement in order to compete. I'm not saying GDPR isn't good for privacy (we need it); it just makes competition harder.

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Re: Google Emerges as Early Winner from Europe’s New Data Privacy Law

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GDPR is yet another moat for established companies. It may take them some time to adapt their data models and engineer systems for data deletion, but once they have done so, it becomes something every startup will have to implement in order to compete. I'm not saying GDPR isn't good for privacy (we need it); it just makes competition harder.

I don't think "startups" should be able to get away with just doing a "deleted=1" with my personal data, or to not know where my data is ending up, just because they are "startups".

Re: Google Emerges as Early Winner from Europe’s New Data Privacy Law

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post #3

GDPR is yet another moat for established companies. It may take them some time to adapt their data models and engineer systems for data deletion, but once they have done so, it becomes something every startup will have to implement in order to compete. I'm not saying GDPR isn't good for privacy (we need it); it just makes competition harder.

I think of it like outlawing chemical pollution of rivers. Yes, a Corporation that manages not to dump toxic waste in rivers is going to have a moat against smaller companies that do dump toxic waste in rivers. But I'd rather it be illegal than have companies competing for who can externalize their costs more effectively by passing their problem of waste management to the state / local area.

I'm not talking about corporations which have the means and the resources to engineer data pipelines that can be scrubbed and lawyers to deal with compliance. I'm speaking to the issue of you or I creating an MVP with a few months of dedicated hard work. How much extra time has to be spent on putting in place a process for data deletion?

I'm working on GDPR right now at my company, and it's not a small effort.

Re: Google Emerges as Early Winner from Europe’s New Data Privacy Law

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While GDPR in itself has accomplished the goal of raising awareness on data security and transparency, probably only temporarily, the mind numbingly idiotic push-button based consent model is an utter failure. 99% of people don't read anything before they push yes. Most people get increasingly annoyed at the mountain of e-mails, and the hundreds of pages they in principle have to read through. It's an extension of th…

99% of people don't read anything before they push yes. Most people get increasingly annoyed at the mountain of e-mails, and the hundreds of pages they in principle has to read through. No offense, but this feels like a “99%” and “most” that is something less than rigorous. I don’t think sound arguments for or against GDPR can come from the “Ah Reckon” space. Throwing out made-up numbers that just represent personal…

No offense, but this feels like ivory tower obtuseness, I mean, they made a law, so of course it will get implemented EXACTLY as it was designed and nobody will abuse it ever and it will never become a monster. Laws always work and they always do what we intended them to do. We made murder illegal and now nobody gets murdered. It's just that simple. You read and understand every boilerplate contract of adhesion you've ever agreed to I'm sure, why can't these plebs simply do what you do all the time?

Re: Google Emerges as Early Winner from Europe’s New Data Privacy Law

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think of it like outlawing chemical pollution of rivers. Yes, a Corporation that manages not to dump toxic waste in rivers is going to have a moat against smaller companies that do dump toxic waste in rivers. But I'd rather it be illegal than have companies competing for who can externalize their costs more effectively by passing their problem of waste management to the state / local area.

I'm not talking about corporations which have the means and the resources to engineer data pipelines that can be scrubbed and lawyers to deal with compliance. I'm speaking to the issue of you or I creating an MVP with a few months of dedicated hard work. How much extra time has to be spent on putting in place a process for data deletion? I'm working on GDPR right now at my company, and it's not a small effort.

It sounds like you don't really care about customer privacy and where their data ends up as long as you are able to deliver your "MVP". Please let me know what your company is so I would know to avoid it.

Re: Google Emerges as Early Winner from Europe’s New Data Privacy Law

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post #3

GDPR is yet another moat for established companies. It may take them some time to adapt their data models and engineer systems for data deletion, but once they have done so, it becomes something every startup will have to implement in order to compete. I'm not saying GDPR isn't good for privacy (we need it); it just makes competition harder.

If a startup is able to collect enough data about their users such that they are able to monetize that data, then they aren't really a startup anymore.

I highly doubt that Google is pleased with the current situation as the article implies.

Re: Google Emerges as Early Winner from Europe’s New Data Privacy Law

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post #7

While GDPR in itself has accomplished the goal of raising awareness on data security and transparency, probably only temporarily, the mind numbingly idiotic push-button based consent model is an utter failure. 99% of people don't read anything before they push yes. Most people get increasingly annoyed at the mountain of e-mails, and the hundreds of pages they in principle have to read through. It's an extension of th…

99% of people don't read anything before they push yes. Most people get increasingly annoyed at the mountain of e-mails, and the hundreds of pages they in principle has to read through. No offense, but this feels like a “99%” and “most” that is something less than rigorous. I don’t think sound arguments for or against GDPR can come from the “Ah Reckon” space. Throwing out made-up numbers that just represent personal…

>No offense, but this feels like a “99%” and “most” that is something less than rigorous.

I've read the contracts I have to sign, and generally this throws people off drastically. When I ask, they tell me I'm the first to read them. Things like leases at a place that has been around decades and I'm the first to sit down and read before signing. While it isn't rigorous, from my experience with wet ink legal documents, saying 1% do read EULAs and privacy policies is a very optimistic over estimation by magnitudes.

Re: Google Emerges as Early Winner from Europe’s New Data Privacy Law

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While GDPR in itself has accomplished the goal of raising awareness on data security and transparency, probably only temporarily, the mind numbingly idiotic push-button based consent model is an utter failure. 99% of people don't read anything before they push yes. Most people get increasingly annoyed at the mountain of e-mails, and the hundreds of pages they in principle have to read through. It's an extension of th…

> It's an extension of the already existing kafkaesque "press yes to allow cookies" that everyday has to be pressed multiple times with no real benefits other than wasting peoples time (at least in the EU).

It'd be less kafkaesque if the fucking ad industry could use a cookie to store my consent once I have given it.

Re: Google Emerges as Early Winner from Europe’s New Data Privacy Law

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think of it like outlawing chemical pollution of rivers. Yes, a Corporation that manages not to dump toxic waste in rivers is going to have a moat against smaller companies that do dump toxic waste in rivers. But I'd rather it be illegal than have companies competing for who can externalize their costs more effectively by passing their problem of waste management to the state / local area.

I'm not talking about corporations which have the means and the resources to engineer data pipelines that can be scrubbed and lawyers to deal with compliance. I'm speaking to the issue of you or I creating an MVP with a few months of dedicated hard work. How much extra time has to be spent on putting in place a process for data deletion? I'm working on GDPR right now at my company, and it's not a small effort.

> I'm speaking to the issue of you or I creating an MVP with a few months of dedicated hard work. How much extra time has to be spent on putting in place a process for data deletion?

None. Do not target the EU initially, start in the US market with your MVP. It's by far the most liberal major market to do an MVP in, in all regards. It's the world's largest economy and easily accessible; plus you essentially get Canada as a bonus: a combined $21.5 trillion in economy. Entirely disregard GDPR until you've scaled the business enough to afford whatever you've calculated GDPR compliance will cost you in terms of effort / resources, then push into the EU when it's convenient.

Re: Google Emerges as Early Winner from Europe’s New Data Privacy Law

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GDPR is yet another moat for established companies. It may take them some time to adapt their data models and engineer systems for data deletion, but once they have done so, it becomes something every startup will have to implement in order to compete. I'm not saying GDPR isn't good for privacy (we need it); it just makes competition harder.

I think of it like outlawing chemical pollution of rivers. Yes, a Corporation that manages not to dump toxic waste in rivers is going to have a moat against smaller companies that do dump toxic waste in rivers. But I'd rather it be illegal than have companies competing for who can externalize their costs more effectively by passing their problem of waste management to the state / local area.

The only difference is that dumping toxic waste in rivers does actual, concrete harm. Targeted advertising? The worst I’ve heard about it is that it makes some people feel a little icky. I suppose that’s a concrete harm in a sense but it seems a much less serious one, at least to me.
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