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China overtakes U.S. for healthy lifespan: WHO data

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Re: China overtakes U.S. for healthy lifespan: WHO data

#91

Any idea how honestly China reports these statistics?

I don't know how China collect its public health statistics, but its economics numbers have been extensively studied. And the consensus is that its official GDP growth figures were overstated historically (by as much as 67%), but had been mostly accurate post-1996.

Study: https://www.stlouisfed.org/publications/regional-economist/s...

Re: China overtakes U.S. for healthy lifespan: WHO data

#93

The US lifespan is decreasing due to opioid overdoses. Similar to Russia in the 90's with alcohol.

A quick google search would show this is untrue. Opioid overdoses kill 40,000 a year. 2.7 million Americans die per year. Even if you were talking about a decrease in healthy lifespan, Opioids do not generally cause a person to transition from healthy to unhealthy (they are prescribed to treat a preexisting condition). Sources: https://www.cdc.gov/drugoverdose/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm

Deaths from "unintentional accidents", a large portion of which are opioid / heroin overdoses, is 4th leading cause of death in US

Many of these people die young. There are more years of life lost before age 75 due to suicide / overdose in the US than diabetes

Re: China overtakes U.S. for healthy lifespan: WHO data

#95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

google translate converts this to: Without the Communist Party, There Would Be No New China But considering the party that the communists replaced were the Nationalists... who are in control of Taiwan.. which is even richer per capita than China (31k/person)... that seems unlikely. Can you explain more why the Nationalists were successful in Taiwan, but you believe they wouldn't have been in China? Edit: this is not…

I don’t believe they’d be successful in China because they weren’t historically. Also we can compare how a nationalist, democratic, and capitalist country of similar size, population, colonial explotation, and natural resource wealth would fair in India. Which again makes the PRC come out rosey.

Ignoring whether I would choose 'Capitalist' as the first word to describe India's economy, India is still a bad comparison. The only reason it's even democratic is because it inherited British institutions. Taiwan built its democratic institutions from the ground up itself, after and during decades of military dictatorship, it's a completely different situation.

Re: China overtakes U.S. for healthy lifespan: WHO data

#96

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没有共产党就没有新中国

google translate converts this to: Without the Communist Party, There Would Be No New China But considering the party that the communists replaced were the Nationalists... who are in control of Taiwan.. which is even richer per capita than China (31k/person)... that seems unlikely. Can you explain more why the Nationalists were successful in Taiwan, but you believe they wouldn't have been in China? Edit: this is not…

I say this as somebody who has had multiple-hour long debates with people on whether China would have been better off under the Nationalists. Despite ambivalence toward the Nationalists mixed with loathing for Chiang Kai Shek, I've always passionately advocated that China would be better off if the Nationalists had triumphed.

With that said, I can think of two (good) reasons people might think that China's current rise could not have happened under the Nationalists.

1. The Nationalists were extremely poor at stamping out corruption and warlordism. China appears to have been too large a region for them to competently exercise control. Their success in Taiwan therefore may be partly attributable to a smaller landmass over which they were more capable of exercising competent hegemony.

2. Taiwan's success is partly a result of their gradual liberalisation. It's hard to say whether this same liberalisation could have taken place on the mainland.

That said, like I mentioned, I think it's hard to argue that China wouldn't have been better off. Certainly in the short term. Without the Communists taking power you avoid every atrocity under Mao. That alone is hard to offset with any later (pseudo-)unity and progress.

Re: China overtakes U.S. for healthy lifespan: WHO data

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Congratulations to China and the Chinese people who have managed to measurably improve their livelihoods over the last few decades.

And given the terrible air, water and soil pollution they suffer from, this means the rest must be really, really top notch. Or that we don't have all the metrics.

Also obesity is bad for you.

Or just assume China will fix its air in 10 years while Americans (and Chinese) keep getting fatter? Lotta ways you can work these numbers!

Re: China overtakes U.S. for healthy lifespan: WHO data

#98

This study is backward looking; it hasn't taken account of China's current set of factors that could skew the lifespan down tremendously for average Chinese citizens. Factors such as 1.) Air pollution. In your typical big cities, e.g Beijing, it average AQI 100-150 for the past 10+ years https://young-0.com/airquality/ . In other lower tiered cities, it average between 50-100. Just to compare, WHO recommend only AQI…

Not fitting your narrative doesn't mean it is backward. The healthcare infrastructure the government has invested and fast progression of technology to catch up with rest of the world after opening up help greatly. My parents now have something called 'Serious Illness Insurance' that comes only in recent years, which would cover cost for illness like cancer or big surgeries to up to 90% by the government, which I think is a good example where the progress has been made. Also Chinese healthcare system is still largely stated owned, it is bad news for the doctors, but it makes the cost to access necessary treatment relatively low, much more so than the US.

Problem remains, but generally, comparing what China used to have in 90s, it is like a heaven and earth difference.

Re: China overtakes U.S. for healthy lifespan: WHO data

#99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

google translate converts this to: Without the Communist Party, There Would Be No New China But considering the party that the communists replaced were the Nationalists... who are in control of Taiwan.. which is even richer per capita than China (31k/person)... that seems unlikely. Can you explain more why the Nationalists were successful in Taiwan, but you believe they wouldn't have been in China? Edit: this is not…

I say this as somebody who has had multiple-hour long debates with people on whether China would have been better off under the Nationalists. Despite ambivalence toward the Nationalists mixed with loathing for Chiang Kai Shek, I've always passionately advocated that China would be better off if the Nationalists had triumphed. With that said, I can think of two (good) reasons people might think that China's current ri…

US military and economic support for the ROC may have been a much smaller priority too if the mainland hadn't "gone red". But then again if the ROC had won the mainland, they probably wouldn't have poured resources into the Korean War.

And so on... it's a fascinating sequence of hypotheticals.

Re: China overtakes U.S. for healthy lifespan: WHO data

#100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I say this as somebody who has had multiple-hour long debates with people on whether China would have been better off under the Nationalists. Despite ambivalence toward the Nationalists mixed with loathing for Chiang Kai Shek, I've always passionately advocated that China would be better off if the Nationalists had triumphed. With that said, I can think of two (good) reasons people might think that China's current ri…

US military and economic support for the ROC may have been a much smaller priority too if the mainland hadn't "gone red". But then again if the ROC had won the mainland, they probably wouldn't have poured resources into the Korean War. And so on... it's a fascinating sequence of hypotheticals.

Yeah definitely. Although I've argued the US would probably have poured funds in as a buffer against Russia. Especially given the relationship between USSR and Guomintang was not 100% unambiguously hostile, so the US would want to make sure they weren't tempted to flip by USSR assistance.

I think that the role US money played in Taiwan's success is vastly overplayed anyway. The US basically abandoned them to their fate until the Korean war kicked off.

It's always a fascinating set of hypotheticals like you said.

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