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Re: Lobotomizing Gnome

#101

Post by majewsky »

brusch64 wrote: post #87
laumars wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

KDE works that way on my Arch install without any additional tweaking. And I'm pretty sure you could configure the launcher in any DE to work that way if you looked at its hotkey settings (they're usually re-definable in my experience)

The last time I've really tried out KDE (many years ago, in the KDE4 era) it didn't work and I had to install an extension (that didn't quite work for me) to get that to work. But I've heard that they've changed it later. After some configuration I've installed XFCE on this PC and was much happier. I even found a menu and a configuration for XFCE that worked like I wanted it to work.

I specifically remember that the input handling code in KDE was adjusted a few years ago to handle single-key shortcuts where the single key is a modifier, esp. the Windows key.

Re: Lobotomizing Gnome

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Post by yani »

xelxebar wrote: post #78
yani wrote: post #21

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I started with i3 but moved to bspwm. There is not much difference between the two and it is all about configuration and what is easier to setup. Multiple monitors is something that is always a problem in my experience. It is great that gnome deals properly with this issue for you.

Oh sweet. I was an xmonad user for years and just recently switched to bspwm. Defining the entire control interface on a socket feels very much in the aesthetic of Plan 9---expose control that interops well with coreutils and friends. My preferred browser, uzbl[1], does very much the same. Switching from xmonad did also get me to switch from xmobar to lemonbar. I really like how lemonbar is again "just a pipe," thoug…

uzbl looks interesting. Thanks for sharing

Re: Lobotomizing Gnome

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Post by belorn »

tumdum_ wrote: post #17
keyle wrote: post #3

I recently switched to Linux (from Windows 10 - forced upgrade took 45' in the middle of an extremely important moment) Debian netinstall + Mate desktop (Gnome 2/3 extension?) I expected to switch back within a week. Surprisingly, I love it. After a few tweaks and Nvidia drivers installed, it's way better than I expected. Super fast, minimal, and no annoyances. Linux desktop really has improved in the last 20 years,…

Wait ~6 months, and you will encounter a case where simple package update will cost you more than that 45 minutes ;)

I can say for certain that I have never had a package update interrupting me in the middle of an extremely important moment, and for a very simply reason. I do not update my packages during extremely important moments. I have never had the itch in the middle of a presentation to say "Wait everyone, a update came so lets have you all sit and wait and look while the machine do a 45 minutes update".

Re: Lobotomizing Gnome

#104

Post by Zardoz84 »

Meanwhile on KDE I can change all my configuration to my personal tastes without needing to edit a single text file or doing obscure and magic things with third party tools.

Re: Lobotomizing Gnome

#105

Post by baud147258 »

superflyguy wrote: post #70
baud147258 wrote: post #54

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> I thought Windows reboots were supposed to get less over the years It's funny, I can't remember last time I had a forced reboot, either at work or at home, both on Windows 10. On the other hand, I'm shutting down my PC regularly

Perhaps you're right and you just have to keep shutting your laptop down and booting up from cold to prevent Windows problems.. sorry, updates from happening at the wrong time. I watched a three hour stream of a professional chess player and youtuber and at the start he's saying "...oh, and I just updated my Windows laptop a few days ago so hopefully it won't start to slow down or apply an update while I'm playing".…

Well, I don't have to put up with it, even if I'm on Windows 10.

Re: Lobotomizing Gnome

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Post by nvarsj »

bittermang wrote: post #98
jeena wrote: post #74

On Arch Linux installing GNOME does not install all of the GNOME apps, just the shell. The rest I only install if I want it. What I like most is their calendar and their address book.

Switching to Arch was revelatory, and I've been using some form of Linux at work or home since 2001. It's hard for me to describe, or quantify. But it's almost like, with a distro that embraces the Linux-ness of Linux, one that's not trying to be like Mac OS or Windows, you're able to cut to the heart of your user experience and make it your own. Plus, rolling release, bro. I don't need monolithic version releases, I…

Arch is insanely stable given it uses rolling updates. I'm not quite sure how they pull it off. I've had far worse problems with Fedora and Ubuntu, which sometimes are not even fixable because you can't easily update to the latest upstream releases (most noticeably with the kernel). On Arch, I run `pacman -Syu` every month and my system stays up to date with basically no downtime.

Re: Lobotomizing Gnome

#107

Post by maurom »

MikkoFinell wrote: post #27
twblalock wrote: post #2

Open-source desktops are never perfect for anyone, but everyone expects them to be. For everyone who says they are too bloated, someone else says they are too spartan. That's probably why there are so many of them. I would expect working on Gnome (or KDE or Cinnamon or Mate or XFCE or LXDE, the list goes on) to be a thankless task. You try to please everybody and yet please nobody. The imperfections of Linux desktops…

I'm satisfied with Cinnamon. If any dev happens to read this: thank you and keep up the good work, it's appreciated.

Ditto. Linux Desktop user since 9x (Red Hat, Conectiva, Mandrake, Debian). I've used IceWM, KDEv1, Gnome2, XFCE, KDEv3, Gnome3, KDEv4, Mate, LXDE, LXQT, usually switched yearly. Started using Cinnamon on Debian since 2017 and -so far- never looked back [1].

Cinnamon devs: Thank you!

[1] https://maurom.com/blog/2017/07/04/

Re: Lobotomizing Gnome

#108

Post by ourmandave »

keyle wrote: post #3

I recently switched to Linux (from Windows 10 - forced upgrade took 45' in the middle of an extremely important moment) Debian netinstall + Mate desktop (Gnome 2/3 extension?) I expected to switch back within a week. Surprisingly, I love it. After a few tweaks and Nvidia drivers installed, it's way better than I expected. Super fast, minimal, and no annoyances. Linux desktop really has improved in the last 20 years,…

My desktop has been in perpetual update hell for months.

Every reboot update hangs immediately on the restart. I have to hard shutdown and then restart.

It boots normally, complains the update failed, and re-downloads the giant update files again in the background.

Then lets me put it off another 4 days. Thanks MS!

Re: Lobotomizing Gnome

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Post by phkahler »

Some of the issues stem from a tendency of Gnome to want to "manage" your stuff for you. Evolution sticking its fingers into other things, something indexing files, apps wanting to manage your photos. I've had trouble with my music collection. You'd think it's possible to copy some folders with .mp3 files into your home directory and point the music app at it. But no, files have to be imported or some crap and I actually had so much trouble with this on F26 or so that I gave up. Seriously, apps have to get dumb again in order to work. It's like IDEs for software - a folder structure with .c .h and make files should define a software project, but so many IDEs want to "manage" things in a proprietary project file of some sort and it tends to make things less portable or functional outside that paradigm. I get that there are advantages to all of these things if you do things the way the developers intended, but it ends up feeling like Apples attitude of "we know what's best for you" and iTunes wanting to take over your system.

Re: Lobotomizing Gnome

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Post by aerique »

baud147258 wrote: post #54
aerique wrote: post #30

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I had more or less the same situation with my last remaining Windows machine (mainly for games). I thought Windows reboots were supposed to get less over the years but it has only gotten worse and I've got less autonomy over them with Windows 10. Go away from your computer for a little while and come back to a reboot (a little hyperbole). Now my gaming PC run Void Linux and with native Steam and Wine (PlayOnLinux, Lu…

> I thought Windows reboots were supposed to get less over the years It's funny, I can't remember last time I had a forced reboot, either at work or at home, both on Windows 10. On the other hand, I'm shutting down my PC regularly

Yeah that might be it, I always hibernate my machines because I like to continue where I have left off.
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