Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser

Post by nikofeyn » Wed, May 30, 2018, 6:17 AM UTC

abalone wrote: post #102

I keep wondering what the customer benefit of Level 2 autopilot is if not to lower your attention and relax your mind. Tesla's "out" is that drivers are supposed to retain full attention and oversight of the autopilot system -- but then if you strictly follow this rule, what is the benefit of autopilot? I can see the benefit to Tesla and future Tesla customers of essentially crowdsourced fleet learning. But what is t…

Post by toxik » Wed, May 30, 2018, 6:18 AM UTC

slg wrote: post #348

userbinator wrote: post #196

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but then if you strictly follow this rule, what is the benefit of autopilot? Indeed. When reading Tesla's statement, "The Palo Alto-based automaker, led by Elon Musk, has said it repeatedly warns drivers to stay alert, keep their hands on the wheel and maintain control of their vehicle at all times while using the Autopilot system." ...one can't help but think, "then WTF is it good for , if I still have to drive the…

>This is subtly different from cruise control, which lets you concentrate on steering and rest your foot on the brake so you can use it quickly if needed. Cruise control doesn't encourage lowering attention, but enhances it. What has lead you to this conclusion? Autopilot is really just advanced cruise control. You can treat it the exact same way by leaving your foot on the brake and leaving a hand on the wheel. If p…

Post by [deleted] » Wed, May 30, 2018, 6:24 AM UTC

Animats wrote: post #276

Has Tesla blamed the driver yet? They might get away with that here. The road was not divided and unsuitable for their lane-keeping system. The pavement markings are unusual.[1] Of course, as usual, their obstacle detection failed to detect a stationary obstacle that didn't look like the rear end of a car in the same lane. We need a minimum standard for a vehicle which takes automated control of steering and braking.…

Post by pdonis » Wed, May 30, 2018, 6:25 AM UTC

slg wrote: post #367

dbasedweeb wrote: post #271

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Tesla is shipping systems in the absolute infancy of this technology that are already statistically indistinguishable from human drivers as far as safety goes. That’s a hell of a claim, I’d love to see some serious citations on it.

There is no conclusive study either way. The only real data we have is the two confirmed deaths in Autopilot accidents in over a billion miles driven with Autopilot. That is not enough data to draw a definitive conclusion, but it at the very least shows that there is not a huge problem that makes it dramatically more dangerous. For comparison the overall casualty rate for the average car in the US is somewhere near 1…

Post by argonaut » Wed, May 30, 2018, 6:27 AM UTC

Arn_Thor wrote: post #323

dpiers wrote: post #24

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Yes, because people are known for diligently reading fine print. /s Cadillac has an eye-tracking system that deactivates the self-driving features if you aren't watching the road, and their system is limited to specific highways they have mapped. Tesla has a ridiculously inadequate attentiveness control, and they do little to nothing to remind people who regularly fail to keep their hands on the wheel. They don't nag…

If their life is on the line they'd be stupid not to. Which, of course, a lot of people are. But the fact it's common doesn't take away the blame