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Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser

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Re: Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser

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I really wish everyone had a chance to use the autopilot feature and judge themselves. I use it every single day and trust the machine. Issue is, with every complex system, there are few ins and outs that users need to know - like lane merge buffer lines, sharp lane merges by another vehicle in front of view, etc. Within your first few rides(below 10), users could pretty much guess when it works and when it might hav…

Blaming the users doesn’t seem like a winning strategy. If the system needs users “guessing” about its behavior maybe it should be gates behind a test with periodic checkpoints as the software behavior changes.

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"Unfortunately, our website is currently unavailable in most European countries. We are engaged on the issue and committed to looking at options that support our full range of digital offerings to the EU market. We continue to identify technical compliance solutions that will provide all readers with our award-winning journalism." I can't read the article. Weird. is this because of GDPR?

Yep, it's because of GDPR.

Re: Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser

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Articles like this should really include incident rates per miles driven for the self driving vehicle and compare that against human rates. Without that this feels a lot like an intentional effort to mislead. What matters are the crash rates. E.g. - how many humans crashed into an unmoving vehicle yesterday? An immense number but of course they also drove far more miles as well. So the question is exactly how many miles?

The first milestone for vehicular automation is not perfection, but to simply be better, and in the worst case - comparable, to humans. Given the media's tendency to try to make big news out of every single self driving vehicle crash, it seems like we're already approaching (if not passing) this first milestone, as these articles are relatively rare while these vehicles have driven hundreds of millions of miles in autopilot. I can't find the latest number, but back in October 2016 Tesla already had 222 million miles under autopilot. It's safe to assume it's now some substantial multiple of that.

Some time it would be interesting to see media releases around the time we transitioned from horses/carriages to automobiles, to see how the state of the media has changed. Or perhaps it has always been this way. "I will add, that the man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them; inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods & errors. - Thomas Jefferson, 1807"

Re: Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser

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I think there is more than one. This Audi ad from 2016 shows it driving around with no hands on wheel. They don't get as much press as Tesla, and I don't know how good their system is, but it sure does make a bold implication (although their choice of the "Piloted Driving" name is probably a much safer choice than Teslas. https://youtu.be/I2j2-DqcPfM

Is it though? Piloted means human controlled, often by a highly trained professional. I agree that auto pilot is a confusing term, but in an aircraft auto pilot systems are actually more primitive than Tesla's offering. To me, it just sounds like a cheesy way to mimic the name people are familiar with for self-driving features without infringing trademark. Because taken literally, it suggests a more capable system th…

> "but in an aircraft auto pilot systems are actually more primitive than Tesla's offering."

I contend that while that's true, it's not something your typical consumer is aware of. There is a common misconception that modern airline pilots simply press a button then kick back as the plane takes off, flies and land itself.

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Is the article available to Europeans somewhere? All I'm getting is a message with this: > Unfortunately, our website is currently unavailable in most European countries. We are engaged on the issue and committed to looking at options that support our full range of digital offerings to the EU market. We continue to identify technical compliance solutions that will provide all readers with our award-winning journalism…

> Is the article available to Europeans somewhere

https://www.google.com/search?q=Tesla+in+Autopilot+mode+cras...

Re: Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser

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This is false, stop this Tesla propaganda with false facts.

Maybe so, but please don't post unsubstantive comments to Hacker News.

The person posted same false fact/conclusion that there is data to prove autopilot is 40% safer all over HN, it looked to me as a misinformation campaign,

You are right though, it may look as a PR campaign but I can be sure, it could be just a misinformed fanboy

Re: Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser

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> But what is the benefit right now if you strictly follow the rule of remaining alert enough to intervene at a second's notice? You have an extra failsafe for those moments where you fail to remain alert. People keep treating these incidents in isolation and failing to account for the fact that human drivers make exactly this kind of fuckup every hour of every day, and lives are lost. Every day. You get that right?…

Tesla is shipping systems in the absolute infancy of this technology that are already statistically indistinguishable from human drivers as far as safety goes. That’s a hell of a claim, I’d love to see some serious citations on it.

There is no conclusive study either way. The only real data we have is the two confirmed deaths in Autopilot accidents in over a billion miles driven with Autopilot. That is not enough data to draw a definitive conclusion, but it at the very least shows that there is not a huge problem that makes it dramatically more dangerous.

For comparison the overall casualty rate for the average car in the US is somewhere near 12 deaths per 1 billion miles driven.

I wouldn't say that Tesla's have proven safer, but I think saying they are "statistically indistinguishable" from human drivers is relatively fair at this point.

Re: Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser

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People don't read manuals. People don't read instructions in the UI. That is well-established reality. People glance at a web page or ad and see the words "full self-driving" and that's what sets their expectations.

They don't apparently read pop-ups prior to driving, ends of sentences ("full self driving capable hardware"), definitions of words, hacker news comments, listen to audible warnings to keep hands on the steering wheel. At what point does a person become responsible for their own actions?

Rephrased: at what point should Tesla remove this ambiguity from their marketing materials?

Re: Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser

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post #358

I really wish everyone had a chance to use the autopilot feature and judge themselves. I use it every single day and trust the machine. Issue is, with every complex system, there are few ins and outs that users need to know - like lane merge buffer lines, sharp lane merges by another vehicle in front of view, etc. Within your first few rides(below 10), users could pretty much guess when it works and when it might hav…

I have been using AP2 every day for more than a year now as its very convenient but inherently dangerous as its addictive and provides a false sense of security as it works great ~ 90-95% of the time. I would not be opposed to an auto-steer ban to force Tesla to get their priorities straight about stationery object detection and auto-braking and stop scamming people about their self-driving if its really years away. You can still use adaptive cruise which eases all the commute hassles yet forces you to be actively engaged.

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I enjoy how "EU" means "outside of us". I'm in South Africa and it's blocked for the eu

Maybe they're using browser timezones

That wouldn't be enough, there is EU territory outside Europe.

(French Guyana, Martinique, Réunion etc.)

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