I really wish everyone had a chance to use the autopilot feature and judge themselves. I use it every single day and trust the machine. Issue is, with every complex system, there are few ins and outs that users need to know - like lane merge buffer lines, sharp lane merges by another vehicle in front of view, etc. Within your first few rides(below 10), users could pretty much guess when it works and when it might hav…
Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser
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#362"Unfortunately, our website is currently unavailable in most European countries. We are engaged on the issue and committed to looking at options that support our full range of digital offerings to the EU market. We continue to identify technical compliance solutions that will provide all readers with our award-winning journalism." I can't read the article. Weird. is this because of GDPR?
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#363The first milestone for vehicular automation is not perfection, but to simply be better, and in the worst case - comparable, to humans. Given the media's tendency to try to make big news out of every single self driving vehicle crash, it seems like we're already approaching (if not passing) this first milestone, as these articles are relatively rare while these vehicles have driven hundreds of millions of miles in autopilot. I can't find the latest number, but back in October 2016 Tesla already had 222 million miles under autopilot. It's safe to assume it's now some substantial multiple of that.
Some time it would be interesting to see media releases around the time we transitioned from horses/carriages to automobiles, to see how the state of the media has changed. Or perhaps it has always been this way. "I will add, that the man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them; inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods & errors. - Thomas Jefferson, 1807"
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#364Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think there is more than one. This Audi ad from 2016 shows it driving around with no hands on wheel. They don't get as much press as Tesla, and I don't know how good their system is, but it sure does make a bold implication (although their choice of the "Piloted Driving" name is probably a much safer choice than Teslas. https://youtu.be/I2j2-DqcPfM
Is it though? Piloted means human controlled, often by a highly trained professional. I agree that auto pilot is a confusing term, but in an aircraft auto pilot systems are actually more primitive than Tesla's offering. To me, it just sounds like a cheesy way to mimic the name people are familiar with for self-driving features without infringing trademark. Because taken literally, it suggests a more capable system th…
I contend that while that's true, it's not something your typical consumer is aware of. There is a common misconception that modern airline pilots simply press a button then kick back as the plane takes off, flies and land itself.
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#365Is the article available to Europeans somewhere? All I'm getting is a message with this: > Unfortunately, our website is currently unavailable in most European countries. We are engaged on the issue and committed to looking at options that support our full range of digital offerings to the EU market. We continue to identify technical compliance solutions that will provide all readers with our award-winning journalism…
https://www.google.com/search?q=Tesla+in+Autopilot+mode+cras...
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#366Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is false, stop this Tesla propaganda with false facts.
Maybe so, but please don't post unsubstantive comments to Hacker News.
You are right though, it may look as a PR campaign but I can be sure, it could be just a misinformed fanboy
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#367Earlier quoted context omitted.
> But what is the benefit right now if you strictly follow the rule of remaining alert enough to intervene at a second's notice? You have an extra failsafe for those moments where you fail to remain alert. People keep treating these incidents in isolation and failing to account for the fact that human drivers make exactly this kind of fuckup every hour of every day, and lives are lost. Every day. You get that right?…
Tesla is shipping systems in the absolute infancy of this technology that are already statistically indistinguishable from human drivers as far as safety goes. That’s a hell of a claim, I’d love to see some serious citations on it.
For comparison the overall casualty rate for the average car in the US is somewhere near 12 deaths per 1 billion miles driven.
I wouldn't say that Tesla's have proven safer, but I think saying they are "statistically indistinguishable" from human drivers is relatively fair at this point.
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#368Earlier quoted context omitted.
People don't read manuals. People don't read instructions in the UI. That is well-established reality. People glance at a web page or ad and see the words "full self-driving" and that's what sets their expectations.
They don't apparently read pop-ups prior to driving, ends of sentences ("full self driving capable hardware"), definitions of words, hacker news comments, listen to audible warnings to keep hands on the steering wheel. At what point does a person become responsible for their own actions?
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#369I really wish everyone had a chance to use the autopilot feature and judge themselves. I use it every single day and trust the machine. Issue is, with every complex system, there are few ins and outs that users need to know - like lane merge buffer lines, sharp lane merges by another vehicle in front of view, etc. Within your first few rides(below 10), users could pretty much guess when it works and when it might hav…