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Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser

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Re: Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser

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I don't get it, why is it so hard to detect stationary objects in front of you? wouldn't that be the "hello world" of any self-driving tech? Every time I ask this question, the response is "radar as a technology has too much noise, not accurate enough to detect stationary objects". But it DOES detect stationary objects. Otherwise no one would even turn on Tesla AP at all. Why is it so hard to detect stationary object…

You do realize that when driving, 90% of the things around you are stationary, right? Also, it may not apply to this specific case, but try comparing a plastic bag in the streets vs a big rock. Telling those two apart isn't trivial, but only one of those you can drive through.

I'd like the car to stop for plastic bags too please. Anything in the road directly in my path.

I mean that plastic bag could contain a rock or something, driving through it is just a bad idea.

Re: Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser

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Is the article available to Europeans somewhere? All I'm getting is a message with this: > Unfortunately, our website is currently unavailable in most European countries. We are engaged on the issue and committed to looking at options that support our full range of digital offerings to the EU market. We continue to identify technical compliance solutions that will provide all readers with our award-winning journalism…

archive.is is your friend.

http://archive.is/http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-l...

Re: Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser

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post #344

Is the article available to Europeans somewhere? All I'm getting is a message with this: > Unfortunately, our website is currently unavailable in most European countries. We are engaged on the issue and committed to looking at options that support our full range of digital offerings to the EU market. We continue to identify technical compliance solutions that will provide all readers with our award-winning journalism…

It's also quite disconcerting to consider the implications of this. Since we 'opt in' to the articles we click on, tracking what individuals read and then building a profile based off of that would be quite informative, and quite invasive.

And then sharing, trading (to expand the profile), and selling it to other companies? Really nasty stuff.

Re: Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser

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Tesla Autopilot doesn't see stationary objects. It sees moving objects with its radar, and tries to avoid hitting them. It sees lane markings with its camera, and it tries to stay between them. Sometimes lane markings are confusing, worn, or inconsistent. If that happens, your Tesla will smash you at 70mph into a concrete barrier/police car. It will not slow down if it is uncertain about the lane markings, it will not beep if there is a stationary object ahead.

Re: Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser

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how is autopilot feature still allowed to be called auto pilot? it mistakenly leads people to believe that it can drive itself. The name literally means - a system used to control the trajectory of an aircraft without constant 'hands-on' control by a human operator being required. After multiple deaths now the head of marketing at Tesla should be criminally prosecuted (or whoever is the big shot who signed off on thi…

Its capabilities are about on par with an airplane autopilot. I have a lot of problems with Tesla, including the way they market this, but the name is accurate.

> Its capabilities are about on par with an airplane autopilot.

Some one should study you. Because I don't know how someone with a brain can be so stupid...Not considering the possiblity that you are paid for it, because everyone knows that there are no shills on hackenews...

Re: Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser

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I really wish all the car manufacturers would stop with this bullshit "you still have to be driving it" self driving nonsense. Claiming that the driver is still responsible for driving the car, while using a system designed to encourage the "driver" to not pay attention is a dumb idea, and all I can see is this kind of thing leading to regulations the delay actual self driving cars. I'm not a self-driving car fanboy…

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Re: Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser

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I really wish everyone had a chance to use the autopilot feature and judge themselves. I use it every single day and trust the machine.

Issue is, with every complex system, there are few ins and outs that users need to know - like lane merge buffer lines, sharp lane merges by another vehicle in front of view, etc. Within your first few rides(below 10), users could pretty much guess when it works and when it might have issues.

On labeling the feature, it is marked clearly BETA and wiggle prompt is shown pretty much in all the confusing cases - so alert is never missed for me.

My only gripe is with all these incidents, Tesla is forced to update the feature to make it less user friendly or take out completely. I genuinely feel safe and come home every single day with less stress. Elon's tantrums are not helping the situation either.

Re: Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those accidents and these comments and downvotes are a greater proof that people like to mislead themselves. You must have missed the definition of autopilot in my comment.

I thought the car crashing into the parked police car, a parked fire engine, decapitated, and driving straight into a road divider at full speed were better proof that people are mislead by the term "autopilot." Tesla likes to play both sides, it is "autopilot" when it works, but when it doesn't then the driver has literally under six seconds (according to Tesla) to avert a fatal accident.

>the driver has literally under six seconds (according to Tesla) to avert a fatal accident.

This is what gets me the most. Right after a tragedy Tesla is always quick to put out a victim blaming PR piece claiming that it's all the driver's fault and that they had i.e. "6 seconds" where they could see the divider yet they never publish anything like how long they had between when the car left the lane and the collision. Sure it was 6 seconds where they could see the barrier but how long was it between when autopilot went into casual murder mode and when it hit the barrier?

We've all seen videos like this one https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/8a0jfh/autopil... where autopilot swerves towards an obstacle and the driver only has a split second to react or be the next fatality. I think it's about time that Tesla acknowledges that their sensor platform is fundamentally dangerous. They never should have made such huge promises without lidar of any form. They aren't just going to be able to magically fix this with a software update.

Re: Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser

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post #6

I really wish all the car manufacturers would stop with this bullshit "you still have to be driving it" self driving nonsense. Claiming that the driver is still responsible for driving the car, while using a system designed to encourage the "driver" to not pay attention is a dumb idea, and all I can see is this kind of thing leading to regulations the delay actual self driving cars. I'm not a self-driving car fanboy…

Blame Elon Musk. I'm serious. He's been promising "self-driving" for years, except the damn technology isn't ready/safe enough for what people are clearly using this from. The manufacturer puts a warning label, but the usage model/UI is clearly flawed. His engineers know this, which is why Tesla's self-driving group has had such a high turnover rate over the last few years. Musk keeps overriding them.

Nope, I am still blaming government (and I am in no way a Musk fanboy)

Self-driving tech has been there for decades. Convoy driving of trucks (one human-driven truck in front, several trucks following its lead) on highways was developed in the 90s.

On well-maintained infrastructures, automated driving is a problem that was solved before deep learning. The fact that we don't have an automatic lane-driving mode for highways as a standard feature in new cars is a political failure.

In 1997 a huge and successful demonstrator for an automated highway system was made. And legislator did not follow up by allowing on the road the systems they spent more than 10 billions to develop. [1]

In my opinion, a technology should be considered ready/safe enough if it is x times safer than the average driver. Zero accident is a crazy requirement. 10 times safer as human is much more reasonable but no politician will accept that.

And obviously it is easier to develop a safe system on some well known and well maintained road segments (e.g. highways) than on 100% of the roads and dirt roads on the North American continent.

So yes, the only way for an economic actor to get into there is to bend the existing rules, as rules for automated vehicles were never made. You can't sell a car saying "no need to look at the road, I'll drive for you" so you put a disclaimer, while making sure people understand that you actually made a self-driving car.

You can't sell a self-driving car and argue that your rate of accident is acceptable because the laws for such a notions are not there. A single accident in your self-driving car (that may be 10 times safer than a manual car) and you will be considered responsible.

[1] https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-national-automate...

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