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Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser

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Re: Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser

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Post by dang »

hannasanarion wrote: post #296
hndamien wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Auto pilot != Self driving. People love to conflate these two so much that the people saying it rely on everybody else conflating it to justify their ignorance. This is just like Fox "some people say" - Fox people say! Or Javascript Bitcoin miners - Monero is not Bitcoin! It's snowing so there is no global warming - It is "climate change" but the entire globe is warming! This hurricane is just weather, not climate ch…

You're like Lewis Carroll's Humpty Dumpty > what I say is always what I mean, and if you misunderstand, it's your fault. Linguistic pragmatics 101: communication is a two way street.

That crosses into personal attack, which please don't.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser

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Post by rohit2412 »

tptacek wrote: post #292
wooter wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

typical fear-based, anti-freedom, anti-progress response in these comments. The NHTSA found a 40% crash rate reduction from Tesla's autopilot. So yea "blame Elon Musk"

No, that's not at all clear, and is in fact unlikely; rather: some of the capabilities in the basket of features Tesla calls "autopilot" are associated with lower crash rates, and it's not at all clear which; there are steep reductions in accidents, possibly exceeding Tesla's numbers, from cars with automatic emergency braking. Just because AEBs are useful safety features does not mean that auto-steering is necessari…

Thank you for saying this. I'm just astounded people don't question things logically

Re: Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser

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Post by buvanshak »

abalone wrote: post #239
wooter wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The NHTSA found a 40% crash rate reduction from Tesla's autopilot. I'd say thats what its good for.

This stat is widely misunderstood. Tesla rolled out Collision Avoidance Assist and Autopilot around the same time. These variables were not isolated by the NHTSA.[1] It is likely that collision avoidance was the major factor in the crash rate reduction. It is even possible that autopilot increased the accident rate. No doubt collision avoidance is a fantastic feature though. Addendum: Looks likes the NHTSA has disavo…

> Looks likes the NHTSA has disavowed Tesla’s interpretation of that study...

Wow. This is a story in its own, because that statistics has been touted a million time by the tesla/elon apologists..

Re: Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser

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Post by iamtew »

Is the article available to Europeans somewhere? All I'm getting is a message with this:

> Unfortunately, our website is currently unavailable in most European countries. We are engaged on the issue and committed to looking at options that support our full range of digital offerings to the EU market. We continue to identify technical compliance solutions that will provide all readers with our award-winning journalism.

On the other hand, I'm wondering how much I want to read an article from a website where they must track me to when I just want to read something...

Re: Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser

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Post by dang »

simion314 wrote: post #333
wooter wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

typical fear-based, anti-freedom, anti-progress response in these comments. The NHTSA found a 40% crash rate reduction from Tesla's autopilot. So yea "blame Elon Musk"

This is false, stop this Tesla propaganda with false facts.

Maybe so, but please don't post unsubstantive comments to Hacker News.

Re: Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser

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Post by djsumdog »

tim333 wrote: post #312
djsumdog wrote: post #301

Let's make the roads out of rubber and the wheels out of pavement. I feel like this is the backwards mentality with autonomous vehicles. I wrote a while ago about how they simply cannot solve the transportation problem, at least not in a way that's cheaper than just building mass transit: https://penguindreams.org/blog/self-driving-cars-will-not-so... I realize this particular case is different with us talking about…

We've had mass transit for a century. I don't see much harm in trying something new that may save a million lives per year.

But we haven't, not in America. Sure the rest of the world does, but we've lost most of our mass transit over the past century.

Knowing you can get on a train at 2am and make it home does play a significant role in reducing drunk driving, and can benefit people of all income levels.

Re: Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser

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Post by reacharavindh »

iamtew wrote: post #344

Is the article available to Europeans somewhere? All I'm getting is a message with this: > Unfortunately, our website is currently unavailable in most European countries. We are engaged on the issue and committed to looking at options that support our full range of digital offerings to the EU market. We continue to identify technical compliance solutions that will provide all readers with our award-winning journalism…

Same here. If nothing, GDPR at least brings awareness to the general public about the level of unnecessary tracking that all these websites do.

Re: Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser

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Post by slg »

userbinator wrote: post #196
abalone wrote: post #102

I keep wondering what the customer benefit of Level 2 autopilot is if not to lower your attention and relax your mind. Tesla's "out" is that drivers are supposed to retain full attention and oversight of the autopilot system -- but then if you strictly follow this rule, what is the benefit of autopilot? I can see the benefit to Tesla and future Tesla customers of essentially crowdsourced fleet learning. But what is t…

but then if you strictly follow this rule, what is the benefit of autopilot? Indeed. When reading Tesla's statement, "The Palo Alto-based automaker, led by Elon Musk, has said it repeatedly warns drivers to stay alert, keep their hands on the wheel and maintain control of their vehicle at all times while using the Autopilot system." ...one can't help but think, "then WTF is it good for , if I still have to drive the…

>This is subtly different from cruise control, which lets you concentrate on steering and rest your foot on the brake so you can use it quickly if needed. Cruise control doesn't encourage lowering attention, but enhances it.

What has lead you to this conclusion? Autopilot is really just advanced cruise control. You can treat it the exact same way by leaving your foot on the brake and leaving a hand on the wheel. If people aren't using it that way, that is certainly something Tesla should try to fix. But I am just not sure I buy the argument that cruise control is inherently a safer technology than cruise control plus auto steering.

Re: Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser

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Post by perlgeek »

iamtew wrote: post #344

Is the article available to Europeans somewhere? All I'm getting is a message with this: > Unfortunately, our website is currently unavailable in most European countries. We are engaged on the issue and committed to looking at options that support our full range of digital offerings to the EU market. We continue to identify technical compliance solutions that will provide all readers with our award-winning journalism…

For now I'll flag any article on HN that isn't readable in Europe.

Reducing availability to readers should come with some social media penalty.

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