Unifying Theories of Psychedelic Drug Effects • Hacker News Board

Re: Unifying Theories of Psychedelic Drug Effects

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Post by MikkoFinell » Tue, May 29, 2018, 2:18 AM UTC

xamuel wrote: post #57

MikkoFinell wrote: post #42

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I'm not saying that filtration theory is false, I'm saying it seems less likely to me than the following alternative: The chemical composition of a sober persons brain causes us to have the usual experience, but taking a substance like psilocybin alters the chemical balance and therefore makes us have unusual experiences. It seems like I have to suppose more assumptions under filtration theory, and that those new ass…

The brain damage caused by psychedelics is extremely specific. By your logic, tonsillitis shouldn't be curable by removing the tonsils, because if it were, then shooting someone in the mouth with a shotgun ought to produce similar effects to performing a tonsillectomy.

Sorry but I don't see how that follows from my logic at all. Would you please care to clarify how you reached that conclusion starting from some assumption I made?

Re: Unifying Theories of Psychedelic Drug Effects

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Post by eqdw » Tue, May 29, 2018, 8:27 PM UTC

collyw wrote: post #29

_dmav wrote: post #21

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As someone who recently tried MDMA, I second this. Marijuana gives me intense anxiety, so I was very nervous to take something “hard” like MDMA. I couldn’t be happier that I took the risk and tried it. I suspect that my first time “rolling” permanently changed pathways in my brain in one of the best ways possible; on MDMA, I experienced what it felt like to feel unconditional love for complete strangers around me. I…

Politicians ban this. The world would be a better place if the people in control took some.

I guarantee you that they are taking some.

The hypocrisy is infuriating

Re: Unifying Theories of Psychedelic Drug Effects

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Post by yesenadam » Wed, May 30, 2018, 2:00 AM UTC

cjslep wrote: post #56

yesenadam wrote: post #48

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Well, this comment seems incredibly condescending to me. You're not 'sorry', and I can't see the implication you suggest at all. Please allow people to freely be interested in what they're interested in.

I am fine with people being interested in whatever pleases them, so long as they aren't being mean to others about it. Granted, a sibling comment to yours made me see how the person I responded to could formulate a reasonable argument. Whereas previously I could only see bourgeois academic snobbery. So, like you, I thought there was only one way to interpret it. But now, I have been enlightened. I am indeed sorry.

"So, like you, I thought there was only one way to interpret it." Wow. All I hear from you is condescending snark. Just letting you know, it's pretty toxic.

Re: Unifying Theories of Psychedelic Drug Effects

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Post by cjslep » Wed, Jun 06, 2018, 3:54 PM UTC

yesenadam wrote: post #63

cjslep wrote: post #56

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I am fine with people being interested in whatever pleases them, so long as they aren't being mean to others about it. Granted, a sibling comment to yours made me see how the person I responded to could formulate a reasonable argument. Whereas previously I could only see bourgeois academic snobbery. So, like you, I thought there was only one way to interpret it. But now, I have been enlightened. I am indeed sorry.

"So, like you, I thought there was only one way to interpret it." Wow. All I hear from you is condescending snark. Just letting you know, it's pretty toxic.

I see, I am sorry. I was attempting to build a bridge, but put a foot in my mouth instead.