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Re: Ask HN: Offer of Employment retracted

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Talk to a lawyer and ask what "detrimental reliance" means. (Short version: what you just did owing to representation that they had a job for you. Comes with damages.) Let your old company tell you you can't have your job back, don't make that decision for them.

I don't want to make a decision for my current company. They may even let me have it back. I'm on very good terms with my team too and they were in fact, disappointed to see me go. I'd just hate myself to go back with my head hung in shame telling them that 'oh my job didn't work out'...take me back. I had a farewell lunch yesterday. Everyone in my extended team knows I'm leaving. My exit interview is planned for ear…

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Re: Ask HN: Offer of Employment retracted

#122
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You should absolutely let it be known who this company is. If you're uncomfortable do it anonymously. Rescinding an offer after a candidate has quit an existing job is shameful and anyone doing it should be outed for all potential candidates to know of. Don't be embarrassed about asking for your old job back. And ask the 50 person company to reimburse you - they should pay you for the trouble they've caused. If they'…

You should absolutely let it be known who this company is. If you're uncomfortable do it anonymously. Rescinding an offer after a candidate has quit an existing job is shameful and anyone doing it should be outed for all potential candidates to know of. What if a major funding event had fallen through, and the company rescinding all outstanding offers and cutting expenses allows half of those 50 employees to retain t…

What if a major funding event had fallen through

Then that begs the question: did the company misrepresent its funding status? Perhaps the OP didn't ask but it sounds like he did his research. It's always good to ask these questions:

- How much locked-in funding do you have?

- How long can the company go on at the current burn rate?

- What is the current projected point where the company's revenues will grow to match expenses?

I have no idea whether the OP asked some/all of those nor whether or not the company misrepresented its funding status.

Re: Ask HN: Offer of Employment retracted

#123
post #2

Talk to a lawyer and ask what "detrimental reliance" means. (Short version: what you just did owing to representation that they had a job for you. Comes with damages.) Let your old company tell you you can't have your job back, don't make that decision for them.

Sorry, no - his immigration situation is the priority, and if it turns out that he can collect damages (insufficient data to say), they would include the cost of the immigration lawyer.

Re: Ask HN: Offer of Employment retracted

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It may be satisfying to, as you suggest, "burn" the company; but it's also unprofessional. Granted, the startup that rescinded the job offer was behaving unprofessionally, and may even be civilly liable for it's actions, but that does does not mean that you should respond in kind.

Huh? Why would he want to subject anyone else to the same thing he was subjected to? By not naming them, he just screws over the next guy.

+1

A rescinded job offer is a big deal, particularly given the guy's immigration status. I assume this was discussed and that he'd need to transfer his H1B. The company by then would've known he had handed in his notice and any HR person should know this potentially triggers immigration issues.

Name them and shame them I say.

Like you say, this may indicate the company is in trouble financially so any existing employees and potential applicants should be aware of this.

Re: Ask HN: Offer of Employment retracted

#125
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You really need to out the company that did this. If not for revenge, do it so that they can't screw anyone else over in a similar situation.

I don't want to out the company publicly. I'd rather not burn bridges. I just don't want to get into any more mess than has already been created.

Re: Ask HN: Offer of Employment retracted

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Talk to a lawyer and ask what "detrimental reliance" means. (Short version: what you just did owing to representation that they had a job for you. Comes with damages.) Let your old company tell you you can't have your job back, don't make that decision for them.

I don't want to make a decision for my current company. They may even let me have it back. I'm on very good terms with my team too and they were in fact, disappointed to see me go. I'd just hate myself to go back with my head hung in shame telling them that 'oh my job didn't work out'...take me back. I had a farewell lunch yesterday. Everyone in my extended team knows I'm leaving. My exit interview is planned for ear…

Well ... did you want leave your company? If that's the case then going back seems like the wrong idea. If you're good, you can find a new job in this market in no time.

Re: Ask HN: Offer of Employment retracted

#128
post #66

We're hiring, email us: jobs@mixpanel.com

i know working for the man isn't popular around these parts, but if someone is looking for a programming job in DC let me know. Its a govt job but I love working here. Lots of freedom to work on projects that you want.

Dude, a friend of mine is in D.C. right now with top clearance. Rails and Java developer. Would love to get him out of the crappy contracting gig he is in. Shoot me an email and I will have him at your office in 2 days.

Cheers!

Re: Ask HN: Offer of Employment retracted

#129
post #63

You should absolutely let it be known who this company is. If you're uncomfortable do it anonymously. Rescinding an offer after a candidate has quit an existing job is shameful and anyone doing it should be outed for all potential candidates to know of. Don't be embarrassed about asking for your old job back. And ask the 50 person company to reimburse you - they should pay you for the trouble they've caused. If they'…

You should absolutely let it be known who this company is. If you're uncomfortable do it anonymously. Rescinding an offer after a candidate has quit an existing job is shameful and anyone doing it should be outed for all potential candidates to know of. What if a major funding event had fallen through, and the company rescinding all outstanding offers and cutting expenses allows half of those 50 employees to retain t…

This exact situation happened with me prior to starting my current position. Let me tell a short story.

I received a formal offer from the new organization, gave my notice at the previous employer and closed out my projects, and made plans to spend a couple of weeks having a proper several-years-delayed honeymoon with my wife, and then a week visiting family and getting my head ready for the new role. As I was waiting to board the plane to visit my family, I saw on the news that the organization I was joining (government-funded) got a surprise during a weekend political negotiating session, and had their budget for the remainder of the year slashed by a ridiculous amount. This hit them hard enough that they were already talking about furloughs and layoffs to the media, and had an all-hands meeting about the issue scheduled.

By the time the plane landed, I had voicemail waiting for me from the fellow who was going to be my new boss; as soon as he heard what was happening, he immediately started asking his superiors about outstanding offers, and was informed in no uncertain terms that already-issued offers were being honored (but obviously, no new offers would be issued), and he made sure I understood that he was available for any questions I might have. I, along with everyone else in the organization, experienced rolling furloughs for the next few quarters, and a round of voluntary layoffs and additional emergency funding finally helped them make it through until the next budget cycle.

That is precisely how you handle a situation like this: you honor your obligations, and preferably do so proactively, and with a keen eye to how you are impacting people who have placed their trust in you and your organization.

Reneging on your obligations, especially in a situation as nuanced as the posters' (a suggestion to simply "move on" is much easier said than done when you're on an H1B), is the definition of unprofessionalism, and is a direct reflection on them as businesspeople. While I don't recommend he "out" them because of how it might reflect on him later in his career, I'd be lying if I said there wasn't a little voice of schadenfreude in the back of my mind hoping he lets their name slip.

Re: Ask HN: Offer of Employment retracted

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Hi joboffer, I'm an engineer at comparably-sized RoR based company in SF, and we are looking for more people to join the team. If you'd like, please get in touch: quin@scribd.com I'd be interested in hearing about your goals and filling you in on the engineering culture here.

Emailed you.
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