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Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser

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Re: Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser

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Post by romwell »

foobar1962 wrote: post #13
olliej wrote: post #6

I really wish all the car manufacturers would stop with this bullshit "you still have to be driving it" self driving nonsense. Claiming that the driver is still responsible for driving the car, while using a system designed to encourage the "driver" to not pay attention is a dumb idea, and all I can see is this kind of thing leading to regulations the delay actual self driving cars. I'm not a self-driving car fanboy…

>I'm not a self-driving car fanboy or anything. I don't think it's just around the corner, but it's clearly going to happen /eventually/ ... Self driving vehicles have been used at Rio Tinto's Pilbara mine for a couple of years. Sure, it's on private land and the complexity of the task is far smaller than for public roads, but it's happening now. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-18/rio-tinto-opens-worlds...

One can also see elevators as self-driving electric vertical motion vehicles. Sure, they are not operating on public roads, and the extra constraints reduce complexity, but they've been around for a while.

Personally, I don't see mining operations as anything remotely close to public roads autonomous vehicles because you have a controlled environment in which paid workers that have been trained to interact with equipment and be aware of its limitations and dangers are performing the said interactions in a strictly constrained manner with the autonomous equipment clearly visible as such and while protected by all kinds of insurance and work-specific regulations.

There's none of that even in the testing stage of current "autonomous" driving vehicles.

Re: Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser

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Post by zwily »

jfim wrote: post #18

From TFA: > "Tesla has always been clear that Autopilot doesn't make the car impervious to all accidents, and before a driver can use Autopilot, they must accept a dialogue box which states that 'Autopilot is designed for use on highways that have a center divider and clear lane markings,'" a Tesla spokesperson said in an emailed statement. Does this dialog box appear every time the car is started or is it a one time…

One time thing. The display does tell you to pay attention and keep your hands on the wheel on every activation though.

Re: Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser

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Post by dpiers »

bazooka2th wrote: post #7
olliej wrote: post #6

I really wish all the car manufacturers would stop with this bullshit "you still have to be driving it" self driving nonsense. Claiming that the driver is still responsible for driving the car, while using a system designed to encourage the "driver" to not pay attention is a dumb idea, and all I can see is this kind of thing leading to regulations the delay actual self driving cars. I'm not a self-driving car fanboy…

From Wired's "People Keep Confusing Their Teslas for Self-Driving Cars" ( https://www.wired.com/story/tesla-autopilot-crash-dui/ ): A spokesperson pointed out that the owner's manual reads, “Autosteer is not designed to, and will not, steer Model S around objects partially or completely in the driving lane”. I haven't seen the encouragement to not pay attention. In some ad on TV, maybe it was for a new Cadillac, the…

Yes, because people are known for diligently reading fine print. /s

Cadillac has an eye-tracking system that deactivates the self-driving features if you aren't watching the road, and their system is limited to specific highways they have mapped.

Tesla has a ridiculously inadequate attentiveness control, and they do little to nothing to remind people who regularly fail to keep their hands on the wheel. They don't nag people because they want them to believe the car is more capable than it actually is.

And, I say that as a proud owner of a Model S with Autopilot v1.

Re: Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser

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Post by ThatPlayer »

jfim wrote: post #18

From TFA: > "Tesla has always been clear that Autopilot doesn't make the car impervious to all accidents, and before a driver can use Autopilot, they must accept a dialogue box which states that 'Autopilot is designed for use on highways that have a center divider and clear lane markings,'" a Tesla spokesperson said in an emailed statement. Does this dialog box appear every time the car is started or is it a one time…

The car should be able to detect if those 'center dividers and clear lane markings' are visible warn the user, or shutdown.

Re: Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser

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Post by danso »

Assuming that every major AP collision, it is pretty amusing that the latest non-fatal ones have all coincidentally involved emergency vehicles. I imagine it must be related to how such vehicles have the right to park just about anywhere, including on roadways in which drivers do not expect parked vehicles.

Re: Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser

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Post by Retric »

romwell wrote: post #21
foobar1962 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I'm not a self-driving car fanboy or anything. I don't think it's just around the corner, but it's clearly going to happen /eventually/ ... Self driving vehicles have been used at Rio Tinto's Pilbara mine for a couple of years. Sure, it's on private land and the complexity of the task is far smaller than for public roads, but it's happening now. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-18/rio-tinto-opens-worlds...

One can also see elevators as self-driving electric vertical motion vehicles. Sure, they are not operating on public roads, and the extra constraints reduce complexity, but they've been around for a while. Personally, I don't see mining operations as anything remotely close to public roads autonomous vehicles because you have a controlled environment in which paid workers that have been trained to interact with equip…

Very large work sites are far from completely controlled environments. Visitors, wildlife, weather, equipment malfunctions, human error, and a host of edge cases from trespassers to protesters.

Re: Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser

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Post by llukas »

foobar1962 wrote: post #13
olliej wrote: post #6

I really wish all the car manufacturers would stop with this bullshit "you still have to be driving it" self driving nonsense. Claiming that the driver is still responsible for driving the car, while using a system designed to encourage the "driver" to not pay attention is a dumb idea, and all I can see is this kind of thing leading to regulations the delay actual self driving cars. I'm not a self-driving car fanboy…

>I'm not a self-driving car fanboy or anything. I don't think it's just around the corner, but it's clearly going to happen /eventually/ ... Self driving vehicles have been used at Rio Tinto's Pilbara mine for a couple of years. Sure, it's on private land and the complexity of the task is far smaller than for public roads, but it's happening now. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-18/rio-tinto-opens-worlds...

No real traffic and predetermined path cleared of unexpected obstacles.

All vehicles can safely communicate with each other and are controlled from central location.

It is automated driving but not even close to "self-driving".

Re: Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser

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Post by sokoloff »

shanghaiaway wrote: post #9

Another auto pilot crash. List so far: 1 Hebei, Fatal China crash https://jalopnik.com/two-years-on-a-father-is-still-fighting... 2 Florida, Fatal Joshua Brown crashes into truck. https://jalopnik.com/tesla-driver-in-fatal-florida-crash-got... 3 Mountain view, Fatal Model X crash. https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/03/30/tesla-autopilot-was-o... 4 Reference to auto-pilot crash in Hayward. http://abc7news.com/automotive…

> 8 SF VC autopilot crash, she took over control just before the autopilot crash, Tesla blamed her for being in control when the crash happened. In her words 'its your fault if you take control, its your fault when you do not take control'.

That's right. It's your fault either way, driver, just like it is in airplanes with autopilot.

Re: Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser

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Post by mikeash »

How many non-Autopilot cars have crashed into parked vehicles? It happens a lot, to the extent that a lot of states have “move over” laws explicitly designed to reduce it.

Does Autopilot actually make the problem worse, or is it just more newsworthy?

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