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Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser

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Re: Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser

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I really wish all the car manufacturers would stop with this bullshit "you still have to be driving it" self driving nonsense. Claiming that the driver is still responsible for driving the car, while using a system designed to encourage the "driver" to not pay attention is a dumb idea, and all I can see is this kind of thing leading to regulations the delay actual self driving cars. I'm not a self-driving car fanboy…

From Wired's "People Keep Confusing Their Teslas for Self-Driving Cars" ( https://www.wired.com/story/tesla-autopilot-crash-dui/ ): A spokesperson pointed out that the owner's manual reads, “Autosteer is not designed to, and will not, steer Model S around objects partially or completely in the driving lane”. I haven't seen the encouragement to not pay attention. In some ad on TV, maybe it was for a new Cadillac, the…

It's called "Autosteer". That's misleading to non techies who don't have a firm grasp on the limitations of the tech.

They should be legally required to call it something like "lane assist".

Re: Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser

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they need to reign this in fast before the NHTSA forces their hand. supposedly they already on that agencies bad side and the last thing Tesla needs is a big recall or stop sale. they will upset some of their fans but in the end it may be safer to OTA restrict its usage.

Re: Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser

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post #6

I really wish all the car manufacturers would stop with this bullshit "you still have to be driving it" self driving nonsense. Claiming that the driver is still responsible for driving the car, while using a system designed to encourage the "driver" to not pay attention is a dumb idea, and all I can see is this kind of thing leading to regulations the delay actual self driving cars. I'm not a self-driving car fanboy…

>I'm not a self-driving car fanboy or anything. I don't think it's just around the corner, but it's clearly going to happen /eventually/ ...

Self driving vehicles have been used at Rio Tinto's Pilbara mine for a couple of years. Sure, it's on private land and the complexity of the task is far smaller than for public roads, but it's happening now.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-18/rio-tinto-opens-worlds...

Re: Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser

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post #6

I really wish all the car manufacturers would stop with this bullshit "you still have to be driving it" self driving nonsense. Claiming that the driver is still responsible for driving the car, while using a system designed to encourage the "driver" to not pay attention is a dumb idea, and all I can see is this kind of thing leading to regulations the delay actual self driving cars. I'm not a self-driving car fanboy…

Blame Elon Musk. I'm serious.

He's been promising "self-driving" for years, except the damn technology isn't ready/safe enough for what people are clearly using this from. The manufacturer puts a warning label, but the usage model/UI is clearly flawed.

His engineers know this, which is why Tesla's self-driving group has had such a high turnover rate over the last few years. Musk keeps overriding them.

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“You are about to hit a solid object. Stop.” Why can’t we solve the most basic use case? We don’t have the sensors and it’s all done with cameras?

It’s a solved issue, but Tesla doesn’t use LIDAR so it will never be solved for them.

But they use Radar and ultrasonic sensors, which should be enough (and even better, since LIDAR doesn't work in fog).

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“You are about to hit a solid object. Stop.” Why can’t we solve the most basic use case? We don’t have the sensors and it’s all done with cameras?

Too many false positives; sensors would only be usable for cars that moved a few km/h at most. Even if you're driving normally, various other objects appear in your path all the time.

Re: Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser

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From TFA:

> "Tesla has always been clear that Autopilot doesn't make the car impervious to all accidents, and before a driver can use Autopilot, they must accept a dialogue box which states that 'Autopilot is designed for use on highways that have a center divider and clear lane markings,'" a Tesla spokesperson said in an emailed statement.

Does this dialog box appear every time the car is started or is it a one time thing, just like terms of services?

Re: Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser

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From TFA: > "Tesla has always been clear that Autopilot doesn't make the car impervious to all accidents, and before a driver can use Autopilot, they must accept a dialogue box which states that 'Autopilot is designed for use on highways that have a center divider and clear lane markings,'" a Tesla spokesperson said in an emailed statement. Does this dialog box appear every time the car is started or is it a one time…

The next evolution in clickwrap licensing, this time its fatal.

Re: Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser

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Another auto pilot crash. List so far: 1 Hebei, Fatal China crash https://jalopnik.com/two-years-on-a-father-is-still-fighting... 2 Florida, Fatal Joshua Brown crashes into truck. https://jalopnik.com/tesla-driver-in-fatal-florida-crash-got... 3 Mountain view, Fatal Model X crash. https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/03/30/tesla-autopilot-was-o... 4 Reference to auto-pilot crash in Hayward. http://abc7news.com/automotive…

This list is misguided.

How many crashes do we have from people using regular cruise control features? Is the incident rate per mile when using Autopilot from Tesla higher or lower than regular cruise control?

Those are the right questions in my opinion.

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