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At a rough point in my life, I was a truck driver for CR England and Knight Transportation for a few days short of 7 months. You don’t start at 80,000 a year. That’s such a lie. You make about 600 a week to start, roughly, depending if you get enough miles. You don’t get the good routes, staying in well populated areas like the i5 corridor, at first. You stay in the middle of no where Arizona, North Dakota, etc. You…

> simple math To be fair to the logistics people, predicting demand is difficult. Also, long supply chains suffer from the "bullwhip effect" which can cause extreme misprediction at the tail (source) of the chain.

A particular load I'm talking about, Seattle to LA. I remember this because I threatened to make a formal complaint about this and got my shit together for it.

Roughly 1100 mile haul. Industry standard base time is 55 mph. Some states limit trucks to 55mph even if it's a 70mph interstate. Also, you aren't driving 55mph going up a mountain with a full load. There's a reason why there are truck lanes on mountain passages going up hill. You're going 30mph sometimes (Grapevine and Siskiyous for that particular route).

That's about 20 hours, of straight driving (in theory). Figure in some food stops and 2 refueling stops (100+ gallon tanks, takes a while to fuel up). So that's a bit more than 20 hours. Oh, also you can only drive 11 hours within a 14 hour window. Then you have to not drive for 10 hours to reset your clock. Government regulations.

It was 9:35am when I had possession to leave. Official pickup was 9:15am, but the lumpers were behind schedule. I was to drop that trailer in a yard in LA by midnight, same day or I was fired. Yes, I was told fired.

You're welcome to try that math. 14 hours to do a 20+ hour load, if you don't count gov regulations. It doesn't take a liberal arts degree to figure that one out.

But surely this must be a fluke mistake! No, this was not the only time with this piss poor math skills. There were about 2 dozen occurrences of stupid load times because, yes, they can't do simple math because it was on their bill of lading. It's not like "Oh, this load was to be picked up a week ago and no one has". It was scheduled that way when it was first ordered.

These shipment orders are made weeks in advance. Not on demand. A lot are actually "standing orders" with big companies because they have consistent loads to send out and get a better rate if they guarantee ahead of time that they'll have one.

So don't believe the bullshit, cop out rhetoric they try to pull.

It was however the first and only time I was told I was going to be fired for it though.

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If you're an employer and you cant find employees, the answer is virtually always to increase total compensation. Theres no reason $80k is the top end of the pay range for any job. The economy does not price jobs based on prestige, education level, or some other signal... that's a judgement made by certain people about what they think a job is worth.. not the market. The opinions of people about the worth of a job ar…

>If you're an employer and you cant find employees, the answer is virtually always to increase total compensation. Most cases I would guess this is true until you hit the point that the pay is enough to live comfortably. Then it changes. My partner was recently approached for a position offering compensation more than 200% of their current for the same work. However,the hiring process is exposing red flags hinting at…

There's always a price. I wouldn't work that job for $100k/yr; I would work it for 1000 times the amount. Somewhere in the middle is, technically, the right price.

This all gets silly when looked at in isolation, though. :-) I'd agree that there's not always an amount of compensation that the company could pay that would also attract enough workers.

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As a 28 year coding veteran, I sometimes dream about the life of a truck driver. Hours on the road, seeing the country go by, seems like a nice change. But an article like this one brings me back to reality. I guess I'll stick to coding for a while longer.

You should code from an RV. Not kidding

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Damn, that sounds bad :( What exactly is the back pain from? Outsider's perspective would expect that since it's mostly sitting, at least your back should be okay. What am I missing?

Compressed discs mostly but you start to learn what muscles in your back really need full body movement regularly or that weakening starts to kick your ass. Without some expensive surgery that I still can't afford, I've been fixing it with a weight lifting regiment. I'm lucky, a friend is a physical therapist. So, I just owe him beer. Even have a year of hard dedication to dealing with it, I still "feel" it and get s…

Ah! I guess the difference when you're a programmer is, both could be described as spending all day sitting, but if you're at a keyboard, you can get up and walk around now and then; sounds like that matters a lot, extended over the months and years.

Best of luck with the recovery.

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Compressed discs mostly but you start to learn what muscles in your back really need full body movement regularly or that weakening starts to kick your ass. Without some expensive surgery that I still can't afford, I've been fixing it with a weight lifting regiment. I'm lucky, a friend is a physical therapist. So, I just owe him beer. Even have a year of hard dedication to dealing with it, I still "feel" it and get s…

Ah! I guess the difference when you're a programmer is, both could be described as spending all day sitting, but if you're at a keyboard, you can get up and walk around now and then; sounds like that matters a lot, extended over the months and years. Best of luck with the recovery.

I'm currently a programmer as well.

Yes, at any point, I can go "I should take a 5 min walk around" or just stretch my legs, which I do relatively often. Most "sitting" jobs have that luxury. Even just stretching your arms out is a luxury. Always one hand has to be on that wheel in a confined area.

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So what? AI only being useful on highways is still useful -- if not still far off. Off-ramp the AI trucks into a huge ass parking lot where a human does the last mile(s).

Fair point, but most of the time that last mile is a very long mile ( double digits ) and includes many hours of waiting to get loaded/unloaded which can also be just a few minutes and once they're done they want you out of their property ASAP. Driving on the highway is not the only significant part of the job, far from it and I suspect some people are very enamoured by their dreams/greed mixed with the holy tech, ju…

> and includes many hours of waiting to get loaded/unloaded which can also be just a few minutes and once they're done they want you out of their property ASAP.

If drivers are only responsible for the last mile(s) it’s quite possible the job changes from “drive one truck, sit and wait for it to be unloaded, leave” to “pick up the truck, drive it to the destination, go pick up another truck”

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As a 28 year coding veteran, I sometimes dream about the life of a truck driver. Hours on the road, seeing the country go by, seems like a nice change. But an article like this one brings me back to reality. I guess I'll stick to coding for a while longer.

You should code from an RV. Not kidding

Been my goal since I got my first remote programming job. Have a ball and chain of a house to deal with first but hopefully soon.

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There's an Indian start up addressing some of the issues with long haul driving by turning them into short haul ones. This way people work closer to home. I thought that was innovative.

Do you have a name or link? For some reason I can see this company operating like an uber with tractors waiting at way points to swap trailers. Problem is the swaps will be conducted at the drivers discretion which opens the flood gates to all sorts of abusive shenanigans and race to the bottom economics. I can picture all the complaints of drivers meeting in private parking lots causing damage and trespass. Or meeti…

Rivigo I think

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>If you're an employer and you cant find employees, the answer is virtually always to increase total compensation. Most cases I would guess this is true until you hit the point that the pay is enough to live comfortably. Then it changes. My partner was recently approached for a position offering compensation more than 200% of their current for the same work. However,the hiring process is exposing red flags hinting at…

I'd happily put up with a toxic work environment for double my pay. My costs are fixed so if I tolerate it for a couple of years that's a lot of money to put towards some major investments, it could easily pay off the rest of my apartment in a year. IME places like this usually pay low to middle of the road salaries though, I suspect you partner may have avoided a bait and switch hiring process.

My sister developed a psychosomatic peanut (amongst other things) allergy and insomnia because of a toxic work environment.

There is definitely a price for that but if you are comfortable emotionally and physically now 'double' isn't enough in a lot of cases.

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I miss the days when the train delivered things to my door step.

The last time someone used an 18 wheeler to make a long haul delivery to my door step was 18 years ago. It's been small utility trucks ever since, driven on short hauls, by people who might well live walking distance to my house. A train would never deliver to my house, but to this day there are still unused train slips leading to factories around my urban area, and in Europe there are plenty of shopping malls that h…

LTL trucking is how just about everything you buy in a store is delivered, and it you ever buy anything online that is large or heavy it is also shipped this way to your house. The UPS truck isn't delivering pallets of bananas to the grocery store.
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