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There is a lot of discussion about GDPR from an American perspective. I'm curious about the Chinese one. Does the EU really expect Baidu, WeChat and Tencent to comply with these rules? Or is this just a roundabout way of extracting bureaucratic benefits from American technology companies?
If they don’t do business in EU, then they dont have to follow eu rules.
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Fair point. Pretty much all of my data protection work recently has been with sites that can identify the person, sorry, I let thay context affect what I said. That said, doesn't this assume the user has a dynamic IP address? You can't easily tell a dynamic from a static, so wouldn't you have to plan for the worst?
Maybe, but firewalling an IP range doesn't actually require logging the specific ips. I don't think gdpr has any teeth for information that isn't actually stored.
But if it 1. isn't stored && 2 there is a good reason (e g. be able to block attacks) && 3. it isn't abused for any other illegal reason then I think they are fine, no extra consent needed to store the IP address temporarily.
But then the law has already been followed.
Edit: also I wouldn't expect anyone outside of IT to care if something is "stored" in RAM or on disk. Kn this case that might be a good thing.
You can’t force people to operate in your country. The EU does not have sovereignty over the whole world. This is nonsense and is certainly not what is contemplated by the law. Making it undesirable for some businesses to operate in your country is part of the cost-benefit analysis you have to do when passing laws.
The EU is overplaying its hand by claiming global sovereignty. If the EU really wants to play hard ball, the rest of the world can impose sanctions against the EU and bureaucrats who try to enforce illegal laws
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Does your bank need to maintain a good relationship with European governments? If not, does it need to remain connected to banks that do?
That's not how most regulations work. If you are a chemical company selling something that is legal in the US but illegal in the EU, the EU doesn't use your bank to enforce their regulations on your business in the US. Using the banks to cut off commerce across borders is an enforcement action for what countries agree are crimes - terrorism, money laundering, fraud, etc. It takes a lot of political willpower and nego…
And they got cut off from PayPal, and the credit card networks for quite a while.
If the US can use it for selling a product in a store that’s entirely legal to sell under EU law, then the EU can also use the same rules for GDPR.
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Extradition?
Yes, extradition for EU officials who try to enforce illegal lawss against the citizens of sovereign nations.
Stuff like https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/ka26b/paypal_bl... (a german company, in germany, selling cuban cigars, to a german, got as result threats from their payment processors (US companies)).
Or cases like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_for_Worldwide_Interban...
The US has constantly stolen money from EU citizen doing business in the EU for violating US laws.
And then there’s the Kim Dotcom case. Also similar story, US enforcing US law in New Zealand and Germany.
The US deserves some of its own medicine.
You can’t force people to operate in your country. The EU does not have sovereignty over the whole world. This is nonsense and is certainly not what is contemplated by the law. Making it undesirable for some businesses to operate in your country is part of the cost-benefit analysis you have to do when passing laws.
The EU is overplaying its hand by claiming global sovereignty. If the EU really wants to play hard ball, the rest of the world can impose sanctions against the EU and bureaucrats who try to enforce illegal laws
EU will regulate what businesses doing business in the EU can do.
All other talk is just noise.
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Imagine your country claiming taxes from you even though you are an ex-patriate and not living in that country. Oh, that does happen. You can't just build a firewall for data, especially as users will actually willingly export data. You look at the GDPR from a business side only and miss that it is about personal data and how that data has become a commodity that is being traded, mishandled and often abused. So far n…
> Oh, that does happen. That's based on international law, while there is no such thing about privacy
Universal Declaration of Human Rights: Article 12
There is a lot of discussion about GDPR from an American perspective. I'm curious about the Chinese one. Does the EU really expect Baidu, WeChat and Tencent to comply with these rules? Or is this just a roundabout way of extracting bureaucratic benefits from American technology companies?
Yes, of course. If they do business in the eu, they will need to comply. If they don’t do business in EU, then they dont have to follow eu rules.
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> Oh, that does happen. That's based on international law, while there is no such thing about privacy
https://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/ Universal Declaration of Human Rights: Article 12
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Declaration_of_Human...