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Re: GDPR Version of USA Today Is 500KB Instead of 5.2MB

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Post by oldcynic »

dominotw wrote: post #52
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We haven't "created countries on the Internet". The Internet exists in the real world, and it exists in countries. Those countries have laws, and they always applied. Governments can take time to adopt to new technologies, but this was always going to happen. And GDPR is an awesome thing, it's an example of governments doing the right thing.

> We haven't "created countries on the Internet". We have though. Your world on the internet looks different based on citizenship( ipAdress) and ppl have to get a visa (VPN) to go that country on the internet. People hated it when China did this but somehow EU doing this is somehow commendable. Now people are europeans, americans, indians ect on the internet. I just want to be a human being.

generating a page based on geoLocation didn't start with GDPR. I've been fighting (often US) sites making "choices" for me based on geoLocation for a decade.

Re: GDPR Version of USA Today Is 500KB Instead of 5.2MB

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Post by 18pfsmt »

denzil_correa wrote: post #36
MBCook wrote: post #29

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This tweet shows the difference with screenshots: https://twitter.com/alexhern/status/999998807856242688

The NPR version though ... https://twitter.com/alexhern/status/1000000898289033216

Rather than linking to another insidious "social media platform," would it be possible to simply describe what is there?

Many of us have sworn off Twitter, FB, Google, youtube, etc. because we don't care for the tracking, nor do we care for regulations. Unfortunately, we miss out on many things when people insist we participate on those sites by merely linking to them as part of a discussion.

Re: GDPR Version of USA Today Is 500KB Instead of 5.2MB

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Post by tannhaeuser »

dominotw wrote: post #70
wlll wrote: post #61

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I feel like you need to explain how China's great firewall (I assume this is what you referenced) is the same as the GDPR? One prevents people in China from accessing stuff the government doesn't like, the other prevents companies from treating your data like shit. > Your world on the internet looks different based on citizenship Yes, my world on the Internet looks a hell of a lot better than the Internet as seen fro…

> Yes, my world on the Internet looks a hell of a lot better than the Internet as seen from the US. Internet in rest of world is fine. Atleast our govt doesn't record our porn watching activities via unknown third parties.

Huh? Maybe I've misunderstood you, but porn laws in EU are quite a bit more liberal compared to US. And authorities are also subject to GDPR.

Re: GDPR Version of USA Today Is 500KB Instead of 5.2MB

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Post by TeMPOraL »

p49k wrote: post #81
tannhaeuser wrote: post #68

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The new Reddit React site hijacks right-click so you can't even open your responses/user page in a separate tab. Fail. This is how Slashdot.org lost their user base. Who in their right mind would use React for a content-based site? But reddit seems to know they suck at websites: you can still access " rel="nofollow">https://old.reddit.com/r/ and even /.compact" rel="nofollow">https://old.reddit.com/r/ /.compact for t…

> Who in their right mind would use React for a content-based site? People who are also writing content-based apps and want to write once but still obtain native speeds on mobile? The lack of right-click functionality is just bad design, not React's fault.

> obtain native speeds on mobile

With browsers and heavy JavaScript frameworks? That's an oxymoron right there.

The truth is, people/organizations doing this simply put other concerns above user experience and friendliness.

Re: GDPR Version of USA Today Is 500KB Instead of 5.2MB

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Post by rayiner »

jaredklewis wrote: post #73
rayiner wrote: post #55

This is great. (1) How do I pretend to be from the EU? (2) Th EU should make a law requiring HTML versions of pages with no JS. The evolution of the Internet in the last two decades has been such a tremendous disappointment. It really peaked in the early 2000s (when I got my first DSL connection but before JS became a thing).

> Th EU should make a law requiring HTML versions of pages with no JS. Having politicians and lawyers micromanage technology decisions for the entire Internet? What could possibly go wrong.

Couldn’t get any worse? The Internet is basically unusable today.

Re: GDPR Version of USA Today Is 500KB Instead of 5.2MB

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Post by cm2187 »

dman wrote: post #24
wlll wrote: post #6

The day I added an ad blocker (Adblock Plus, Ghostery and uBlock origin) was the day my CPU fans stopped spinning almost constantly, my battery life improved, web pages loaded faster and were more responsive. My experience of the web is about a thousand times better than it used to be. I will remove all these when the ad companies and websites start to behave themselves, which will be never.

If you liked the effect of installing an adblocker give disabling Javascript a try. (You can selectively whitelist a small number of websites). Did this a couple of years back and the difference is astounding.

I have been doing that for a long time but with the use of javascript framework & SPA for pretty much any website, including the least appropriate applications like blogs, I kind of had to capitulate in the name of convenience.

Re: GDPR Version of USA Today Is 500KB Instead of 5.2MB

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Post by rayiner »

highesttide wrote: post #63
rayiner wrote: post #55

This is great. (1) How do I pretend to be from the EU? (2) Th EU should make a law requiring HTML versions of pages with no JS. The evolution of the Internet in the last two decades has been such a tremendous disappointment. It really peaked in the early 2000s (when I got my first DSL connection but before JS became a thing).

Do you genuinely believe anyone should be regulating using modern technologies on the web like that, asides from stuff related to accessibility?

No I’m being glib. I’m not much of a believer in regulation. If the people want the Internet to be crap it should be crap.

Re: GDPR Version of USA Today Is 500KB Instead of 5.2MB

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Post by TeMPOraL »

StellarTabi wrote: post #54
koolba wrote: post #47

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Sadly it's a shrinking list and as sites replace static content with things like React it's shrinking even faster. Good: HN works well and handles the downgrade gracefully (ex: upvoting becomes a POST rather than AJAX). Bad: The original Reddit site works ok but the new React based one one fails miserably as it shows a loading screen that never changes.

React is actually capable of sever side rendering, in fact one of the Reddit announcements specified that React's SSR was a key factor in choosing it. I'm curious why they're not using it? The new site is still in beta though.

Probably because React having this capability was enough to silence the opposition, without actually committing to using said capability.

(Also, they probably save money on electricity by externalizing more and more processing to users.)

Re: GDPR Version of USA Today Is 500KB Instead of 5.2MB

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

tannhaeuser wrote: post #93
dominotw wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Yes, my world on the Internet looks a hell of a lot better than the Internet as seen from the US. Internet in rest of world is fine. Atleast our govt doesn't record our porn watching activities via unknown third parties.

Huh? Maybe I've misunderstood you, but porn laws in EU are quite a bit more liberal compared to US. And authorities are also subject to GDPR.

He's probably referring to the UK, specifically.

Re: GDPR Version of USA Today Is 500KB Instead of 5.2MB

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Post by TeMPOraL »

salawat wrote: post #82
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #2

I'm honestly starting to reach the opinion we should all be VPNing our web traffic through Europe so we can pick up more of the benefits.

Orrrrr.... We could actually send a real message that this type of behavior is completely unacceptable by raising awareness in our collective countries of origin to get GDPR like regulations codified in law so this type of abuse becomes the exception rather than the norm. Otherwise, it'll turn into a case where companies will farm out their web design and digital marketing to "marketing heavens" just like they alread…

I'd say, why not both? You can advocate and also demonstrate that you walk the walk.
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