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Re: Google and Facebook accused of breaking GDPR laws

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> This becomes an email address you truly own, and your email provider cannot hold you hostage anymore. It's hardly yours. Using a custom domain for anything sensitive like banking is not a good idea. Your registrar is almost certainly a lot easier to phish/social engineer/whatever than Google.

> Your registrar is almost certainly a lot easier to phish/social engineer/whatever than Google. Please don't spread unsourced FUD. I'm not saying registrars are perfect (although Gandi, which I linked, has an impeccable track record), but everyone uses registrars for their domain name, even the biggest businesses out there. If you have a problem with a particular registrar, I invite you to source it and share it. Bu…

I'm not spreading FUD. I'm spreading Maciej Ceglowski's information: https://techsolidarity.org/resources/congressional_howto.htm...

@pinboard has explained on Twitter that registrars can get tricked into letting an attacker into your domain account (of course they can). And from there they can update your zone file to send your mail wherever they want.

This isn't about the storage of your email.

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The number that's been kicked around for he value of North American user is about $50/year. So $5/month will cover it.

That's not the number that is being kicked around. Facebook will yield more than $100 per active user in the US and Canada for fiscal 2018. That's going to $200 from here over the next six or seven years (it doubled from 2015 to 2017). No meaningful number of users are paying $15 per month out of pocket for Facebook. Google search is similarly worth a lot per user in the US. People would be irate if they had to pay $…

Per daily active user or monthly active user?

I also think it's conceivable in a more equitable arrangement with paid subscriptions that you could easily have a sizable number of paying users not being active in a given month.

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You can disable Google's ad targeting at any time: https://adssettings.google.com/ You don't have to pay anything. What you get instead is untargeted ads, like ads for cars, potato chips, and shampoo, just like on TV. Personally I find those to be a lot more annoying. Facebook's ad targeting can be similarly disabled under https://www.facebook.com/ads/preferences/?entry_product=ad_s...

> What you get instead is untargeted ads, like ads for cars, potato chips, and shampoo, just like on TV. Personally I find those to be a lot more annoying. I'm genuinely curious: what's so much more annoying to you about un targeted ads? I've never found targeting to be effective at showing me ads that were genuinely better or less annoying. I feel more comfortable with un targeted ads, since I can be much more confi…

>I've never found targeting to be effective at showing me ads that were genuinely better or less annoying.

I'm not the guy you're responding to, but I think the key difference is this statement. I had untargeted ads on for about a year and they were always irrelevant. Since returning to targeted ads, I now see things all the time that I'm at least mildly interested in (mostly startups and new services, and/or tools/software I want to try out).

I don't care if I'm being coaxed into buying more: the things they're tempting me with are legitimately interesting and I have the ultimate say on whether I buy it or not.

Untargeted ads don't give that choice: they're just always irrelevant to my interests.

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If there is, they don't make it obvious. Whenever I've tried setting up a stock Android phone, I've looked for a way to do so without adding a Google account, but found no such option. Perhaps it's possible to do so by pressing or holding some obscure sequence of buttons, but in that case it is reasonable to argue that a 'hidden' option isn't really an option at all. After all, you can't hide microscopic text on a pa…

I am using a chinese noname Android phone without a Google Account. It is somewhat useable even without Internet connection and without SIM card. For example, I can use a camera, radio, music player, a dictionary or offline maps.

China gets your data now.

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Sign me up! The sad truth though is that the users who are most likely to pay to get rid of ads, are also the users that are most valuable to advertisers, because that's a signal they have more money to spend than the rest.

You can disable Google's ad targeting at any time: https://adssettings.google.com/ You don't have to pay anything. What you get instead is untargeted ads, like ads for cars, potato chips, and shampoo, just like on TV. Personally I find those to be a lot more annoying. Facebook's ad targeting can be similarly disabled under https://www.facebook.com/ads/preferences/?entry_product=ad_s...

For me I don't really care whether ads are targeted or untargeted. It's the data collection they use to target the ads that's the real concern. I suspect that's true for most people but for some reason these discussions are typically framed as targeted vs untargeted, which IMO misses the point.

That said, I also really don't like seeing ads at all.

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You don’t know that, because you don’t know how many ads they would be showing in the alternate reality where they only show non-targeted advertisements.

So regulators should just take their word for it and allow them to slide on compliance because they claim they would be showing more ads in some alternate reality if it weren't for targeting? That sounds like a loophole that would allow pretty much everyone to ignore GDPR completely, and I think you'd actually have to live in an alternate reality to consider that reasonable. The entire advertising industry would be e…

I wouldn’t say they should take their word for it. They should hear the argument and decide if it is reasonable and supported by the data.

Re: Google and Facebook accused of breaking GDPR laws

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There seems to be a fundamental dichotomy on HN that is either intellectually dishonest, or the result of hyperbolic reasoning. Everyone accepts that services have costs, and so someone has to pay for them. They're either paid for by user fees, paid for by ads, or paid for by charity (e.g. Wikipedia)

Every time a publisher converts to user fees (paywall), people react angrily. Yet, people complain loudly over ads too, and others complain loudly over ad tracking. Now, there's not necessarily overlap between these groups, but there must be some. So either people want to get away with paying nothing (one form of dishonestly), or they are virtue signaling over things they don't care as strongly about as they say (another form of dishonesty), or they are mad at something else.

I think it's a mix of both. Many people will say they care a lot of privacy and security, but behave in ways that show they really don't. From poor operational security, to bad passwords, to continuing business with firms that have already been hacked and exposed their personal information.

A lot of people complain also loudly over what they imagine is serious harm being done to them by ad tracking, but I would bet they are more annoyed by ads themselves, than by the theoretical and abstract (if distant background threat) of their info being harvested for harm. Because human being's reward system in their brain favors minimizing immediate pain.

Ads, whether targeted or not, are an annoyance, just like paywall dialogs, and people would rather see neither. I think this is the real nitty gritty, people unwilling to put up with the monetary cost of services, the hassle of signing up and paying, the performance detriments of ads, or the annoyance of having their attention interrupted by them and this is far and above the concerns over privacy.

No doubt, many people will say no, I'm wrong, they truly care extremely strongly about data mining, but I think the people who care that strongly as a small minority like the people who are rabid anti-vaxxers, or anti-GMO, hyperbolic fears of tiny risks, not shared by the mainstream.

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As an American citizen I'm glad that GDPR exists. Our own government will never strongarm Big Tech into respecting their users - especially in this political climate - so I'm glad someone else is.

I think it is naive at best. To me, it's like the EU is a spoiled child who wants everything for free without paying for it. Most of the web is payed for by targeted advertising and getting rid of that would make the web suck as their would be way less money to actually pay for content. Also, non-targeted ads suck as they usually end up being like Viagra ads since they pay the most.

> Also, non-targeted ads suck as they usually end up being like Viagra ads since they pay the most.

You can still have targetted ads without tracking user data. Show ads for gaming content on eurogamer/ign, or ads for technology on techcrunch, or ads for Viagra on WebMD

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> EU can't wait to give fat fines to companies like Facebook and Google, due to their tax evasion schemes. How does GDPR relate to "tax evasion" at all? Also, Google and FB set up to pay taxes in Ireland, which is a member of the E.U. That seems legal to me. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Irish_arrangement

The 4% of worldwide revenue aspect is almost exclusively pointed at the giant US tech companies. Europe has few meaningfully large tech companies, with large global sales, such that taxing worldwide revenue matters (this is why they didn't just make it an EU revenue tax). It's meant to try to plunder some of the global revenue that Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Netflix, Apple, Amazon, Twitter, Snapchat, etc. are gener…

> Europe should learn to build better tech, and learn to pay their engineers what they're actually worth if they want to compete with the US that pays 3x or 5x more.

Funny, I see plenty of happily employed engineers with 30 days PTO, mandatory sick pay, national healthcare, stable security nets, support for maternity (and in some cases even paternity) leave.

Re: Google and Facebook accused of breaking GDPR laws

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“Within hours” You mean “within the 2 years probation period + a few hours”

GDPR has been law for two years, since 25 May 2016, a point your downvoters seem to be missing.

Let them downvote. I’d be downvoting left and right too, if those pesky EU bureaucrats had ruined my moneymaking scamvertising scheme.
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