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Aren‘t the ToS pulled from the web when you set it up with a google account? I doubt you‘re agreeing to two year old ToS.
Possibly, but it still might not be possible for Google to provide a means to decline the ToS without issuing an update (which, as has been pointed out, wouldn't be possible to install anyway without accepting the ToS).
I am trying to think what the secondary consequences of GDPR are going to be. If any user can see their data on any service than any government can quickly plug-in to access all user data on any service. This is like NSA Prism for everything. If a user can export their data easily from any service, they can easily resell their own data for money to services that seek to monetize that data. They could even rent out th…
The option to monetize your own data is an amazing idea: a startup that pays you to upload the data you can download from your google, apple, facebook, BIGNAME account, basically renting it daily until you revoke consent, then uses it to do all sort of shit you can with it. You’ll get hypeprofiled and harassed with all sorts of advertising, but you’re actually getting real money for that.
I am reading through the complaints, The first one: https://noyb.eu/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/complaint-android... The User sets up a "new" (non Google) phone, and isn't given an option to decline consent to Googles ToS. Now how does this work with a physical product? It needs to be compliant on the 25th of May 2018, but the version of Android may be old and not updated (given its Android). Even if there was an upda…
> and isn't given an option to decline consent to Googles ToS You can turn off the phone and sell it on Ebay
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The option to monetize your own data is an amazing idea: a startup that pays you to upload the data you can download from your google, apple, facebook, BIGNAME account, basically renting it daily until you revoke consent, then uses it to do all sort of shit you can with it. You’ll get hypeprofiled and harassed with all sorts of advertising, but you’re actually getting real money for that.
The problem with that model is... how much money is a single profile worth, really? I'd love to be proven wrong and for a company to implement this. But as far as I know, it's not being done because the math doesn't work out. It's too cheap for regular people to be interested, and an incentive for spamtech to mass create fake profiles and get paid pennies for it. In fact, the one variant I am aware of that works is s…
I remember some estimates, facebook profile with a few years of history is around 1$, a few profiles from different sites of the same person 5$.
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The data belongs to the user. There's nothing Facebook can do to prevent exporting if it's via the data backup. They can just design it in a way that is easy to read by humans but very challenging for parsers.
Yeah, I understand it belongs to the user and they can export it. But does any third party service then have a right to allow the users to import their data from Facebook?
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Sign me up! The sad truth though is that the users who are most likely to pay to get rid of ads, are also the users that are most valuable to advertisers, because that's a signal they have more money to spend than the rest.
What if they say it's $20 a month? And it's just facebook. Google also asks for $20, Reddit too, etc. It won't be cheap.
$20 is cheap.
It's about time to see no-win no-fee services to file a complaint against companies for GDPR breach. How long will it take?
It is not how it works in Europe. No-win no-fee is a typical American thing. We don't have class actions either. It doesn't mean it won't happen, but that would be unusual.
Personally I would love to see similar services for GDPR. However the structuring of the law makes this unlikely, I believe.
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Was there anything stopping people taking legal action against website operators before GDPR?
No, but with the GDPR, they'd have more of a case, and it's easier to file a complaint. Whether that's a good or bad thing is a matter of perspective.
I am reading through the complaints, The first one: https://noyb.eu/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/complaint-android... The User sets up a "new" (non Google) phone, and isn't given an option to decline consent to Googles ToS. Now how does this work with a physical product? It needs to be compliant on the 25th of May 2018, but the version of Android may be old and not updated (given its Android). Even if there was an upda…
It is an unfair complaint. But to be fair to the regulators, these complaints were filed by users, and may well be dismissed once reviewed by regulators. This type of unfair complaint will be an interesting test to see just how abusive the GDPR enforcers may or may not be.
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yeah but now the product is not free.
It'd be great if companies offered a "buy back your privacy" subscription model. For the services I really don't want to stop using (Twitter ...) I'd definitely be using that.
A lot of people don't seem to know that GSuite is both usable (useful, even) and affordable (cheap!) even if you are a solo user.
Here's a quick howto:
1. Go buy your own domain name (~$10/yr, https://www.gandi.net/). Make it something you like, something professional. This is for your personal email address. firstname@lastname is the most common pattern. I recommend everybody do this. Even if you want to stay on gmail, yahoo, aol or whatever you can set up redirects. This becomes an email address you truly own, and your email provider cannot hold you hostage anymore.
2. Create a new GSuite account ($5/mo, https://gsuite.google.com) - The entire setup is guided and completely painless if you're even slightly technically-aware.
3. Migrating from a previous Google account: You can use Google Takeout to get a lot of your data (https://takeout.google.com/). Unfortunately, migrating the data automatically is hard. For email you can set up IMAP from gmail, for Drive there's migration scripts. But you also don't have to migrate immediately, Google is good at multiple accounts.
I know I'm sounding like a Google shill right now, but GSuite really is what people tend to ask for when they talk about Google's handling of data and say they'd pay $5/month to "regain their privacy". Well, here's your occasion to do so.