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Thanks to facial recognition, a third person is arrested following a pop concert

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Re: Thanks to facial recognition, a third person is arrested following a pop concert

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Post by SilasX »

derefr wrote: post #27
J-dawg wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Masks and temporary/permanent face altering techniques will explode as this technology takes hold Along with a corresponding explosion in legislation to prevent you from covering your face in public. It already exists in France (popularly known as the 'Burqa Ban', but I think it covers other face coverings). I'm especially curious to see how this will go down in the UK, which is increasingly authoritarian while oft…

You're allowed to cover your face in France, just not in such a way that it signals religious affiliation. The point of the French law is to prevent anyone from being able to identify, through observation in a public place, what a stranger's religion is (under the theory that you can't commit hate crimes if you can't identify your outgroup; and that a generation that grew up not seeing any hate crimes committed—even…

Wouldn't that require you to ban all visible religious garb to be effective? But I don't think they ban nuns' habits or priest uniforms or even hijabs, so ...?

Re: Thanks to facial recognition, a third person is arrested following a pop concert

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Post by nikkwong »

Anyone have thoughts on how the public will feel about this kind of tech being applied to the streets of the U.S.? We seem to be so libertarian, yet it seems like other countries (and even law enforcement currently in the US) have been implementing it with little concern of public opinion and/or public outcry.

Re: Thanks to facial recognition, a third person is arrested following a pop concert

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Post by dghughes »

josefresco wrote: post #7
MarkMMullin wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the technology just stayed at facial recognition, maybe - I work on stereoscopic vision, so you'd have to change your head geometry too for my cameras if you're in parallax range..... and we're getting to the point of being able to do realtime skeletal pose analysis -- https://storage.googleapis.com/tfjs-models/demos/posenet/cam... So, it's an arms race :-/

Egad Batman! Thanks for the background - how would one change their head geometry? Would a prosthetic nose, or subdermal implants serve this purpose?

Or maybe infrared reflecting material similar to sun block.

The local cancer society came to my workplace to promote skin health and one of the items was a small camera system. You put sun block on one part of your face, stuck your head in a box and a camera and screen showed the sunblock as black paint.

If an IR type of material could be made you could paint geometric dazzle type paint on your face to obscure its geometry.

Re: Thanks to facial recognition, a third person is arrested following a pop concert

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Post by xg15 »

gnode wrote: post #33
fapjacks wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm just guessing, but GDPR does require that if a person says "no" to tracking (or rather, if they do not explicitly opt-in), that the service cannot be degraded. So I'm wondering if NPR is just serving completely script-less, ad-less text to provide the same thing to this audience?

I wonder how regulators would look at this practise. It would depend on whether taking away formatting and any image / video content counts as degrading. For some people this is desirable, but for others it may not be. My interpretation is that they would be free to give the text-only version to EU residents unilaterally, but not to make formatting tied to tracking consent, as tracking is not functionally necessary f…

I think the discussion about this will be had in the coming months - though at least the lawmakers' intent seems to be strongly discouraging "bundling" unessential things together.

> For some people this is desirable, but for others it may not be.

In principle yes, but I have a hard time believing the NPR text-only site was designed for usefulness.

E.g., articles like [1] still contain all the inter-article links of the original - however, instead of linking to the text-only versions of those articles (which would be the reasonable thing to do if you're already on a text-only article) they try to get you back to the full version.

Worse still, if you decline, you get directed back to the front page. There is actually no way to follow the links of the articles without either URL hacking or agreeing to be tracked.

Additionally, the text-only front page only gives access to the latest headlines - no access to archives or even just a search function. So again, without getting a link from anywhere else or URL hacking, it's not possible to do anything else than view the latest headlines.

[1] https://text.npr.org/s.php?sId=613996677

Re: Thanks to facial recognition, a third person is arrested following a pop concert

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Post by IshKebab »

josefresco wrote: post #2

Masks and temporary/permanent face altering techniques will explode as this technology takes hold. I think about it like ad-blocking, something that may work itself into the mainstream despite it's questionable ethics.

Yeah only among weirdos.

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Post by beagle3 »

josefresco wrote: post #2

Masks and temporary/permanent face altering techniques will explode as this technology takes hold. I think about it like ad-blocking, something that may work itself into the mainstream despite it's questionable ethics.

There is nothing ethically questionable about ad blocking. Advertisers would like you to believe that there is, and perhaps at some point in the past it arguably was.

However, today [not] using an ad-blocker is as ethically questionable as having [un]protected sex with a stranger. There isn't a single ad network that does not, every now and then, dish out drive by malware.

Re: Thanks to facial recognition, a third person is arrested following a pop concert

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Post by imglorp »

wilsonnb wrote: post #23
J-dawg wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Masks and temporary/permanent face altering techniques will explode as this technology takes hold Along with a corresponding explosion in legislation to prevent you from covering your face in public. It already exists in France (popularly known as the 'Burqa Ban', but I think it covers other face coverings). I'm especially curious to see how this will go down in the UK, which is increasingly authoritarian while oft…

It's already illegal in many states in the US. Possibly at the local level as well. Here's the relevant law for Virginia. https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title18.2/chapter9/secti... It's a class 6 felony, which in VA means you'll be looking at "a term of imprisonment of not less than one year nor more than five years, or in the discretion of the jury or the court trying the case without a jury, confinement in jai…

That law doesn't cover cold, ie scarf or balaclava. Those things are common but you can't argue they're safety equipment.

It also doesn't cover face confusing makeup. You're not hiding your features, just adding a bunch of fake ones.

What disaster in the VA legislature led to this law?

Re: Thanks to facial recognition, a third person is arrested following a pop concert

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Post by magduf »

habeebtc wrote: post #39
forgot-my-pw wrote: post #14

> The man, who authorities identified only by his surname, Yu, is accused of having stolen around $17,000 worth of potatoes in 2015. That's a lot of potatoes to move!

I thought the same thing and did some searching. Based on the street price of potatoes in China, it's in the neighborhood of 30k pounds. More if that number is wholesale value. The other thing we can surmise which is strange about the crime: He had to have stolen a truck worth of potatoes. So he either used his own truck, or he stole a truck and then gave it back after having fenced the potatoes.

>So he either used his own truck, or he stole a truck and then gave it back after having fenced the potatoes.

I wonder if it's possible that he ditched the truck afterwards, it was recovered unharmed, so they didn't bother charging him with that, or the article just didn't bother listing the additional charge of truck theft since the potato theft was far worse financially.

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Post by [deleted] »

imglorp wrote: post #67
wilsonnb wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's already illegal in many states in the US. Possibly at the local level as well. Here's the relevant law for Virginia. https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title18.2/chapter9/secti... It's a class 6 felony, which in VA means you'll be looking at "a term of imprisonment of not less than one year nor more than five years, or in the discretion of the jury or the court trying the case without a jury, confinement in jai…

That law doesn't cover cold, ie scarf or balaclava. Those things are common but you can't argue they're safety equipment. It also doesn't cover face confusing makeup. You're not hiding your features, just adding a bunch of fake ones. What disaster in the VA legislature led to this law?

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Re: Thanks to facial recognition, a third person is arrested following a pop concert

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Post by PhasmaFelis »

derefr wrote: post #27
J-dawg wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Masks and temporary/permanent face altering techniques will explode as this technology takes hold Along with a corresponding explosion in legislation to prevent you from covering your face in public. It already exists in France (popularly known as the 'Burqa Ban', but I think it covers other face coverings). I'm especially curious to see how this will go down in the UK, which is increasingly authoritarian while oft…

You're allowed to cover your face in France, just not in such a way that it signals religious affiliation. The point of the French law is to prevent anyone from being able to identify, through observation in a public place, what a stranger's religion is (under the theory that you can't commit hate crimes if you can't identify your outgroup; and that a generation that grew up not seeing any hate crimes committed—even…

> under the theory that you can't commit hate crimes if you can't identify your outgroup

That's such hilariously appalling logic. "What's the common thread in all hate crimes? That's right--minorities! If we force the minorities to stay undercover, no one will be able to attack them! Problem solved."

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