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Philip Roth has died

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Re: Philip Roth has died

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If you read that 5 times over, maybe it's worth including more of the context of the phrase: > Mr. Roth was the last of the great white males: the triumvirate of writers — Saul Bellow and John Updike were the others — who towered over American letters in the second half of the 20th century. Seems that "great white males" refers to a specific trio of writers -- all white men -- who were seen as the giants of American…

That he used the term "great white males" when he should have used "Great Male Narcissists". Would a high school newspaper even make a mistake such as this? It's either sloppy, malicious, or both.

If someone referred to a "great black male" writer would you be equally offended? Or do you object to mention of his race? His sex? These details help paint a picture. They are not mentioned to offend.

Re: Philip Roth has died

#72
post #63

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That he used the term "great white males" when he should have used "Great Male Narcissists". Would a high school newspaper even make a mistake such as this? It's either sloppy, malicious, or both.

Sorry, I'm not following. Is "Great Male Narcissists" a popular pronoun in this context?

https://www.dfwsociety.org/2017/12/02/call-for-papers-great-...

Re: Philip Roth has died

#73
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No, it is my reaction to the commenter's reaction to this article about Philip Roth's death.

Please don't post ideological rants, or other unsubstantive comments, to HN.

Since when is a two sentence reply to a commenter's musing on the "shades of grey" involved in historical understanding a political rant or unsubstantive? If you don't like a comment, just say you don't like it and to stop that (we all understand the implied 'or else!') instead of pretending to be a dispassionate moderator simply enforcing the rules.

Re: Philip Roth has died

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It is of no interest to you how some tyrants come to be reviled while others are lionized?

Not really. The ones doing the lionizing are obviously deceived or fearful for their lives and loved ones.

You don't think the outcome of world-historic events influences a society's honestly held views of historical figures? That seems such a bizarre view and difficult to defend when the events themselves almost pale in comparison to the narratives that follow them and persist for decades, if not centuries, afterward.

Re: Philip Roth has died

#75
post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That he used the term "great white males" when he should have used "Great Male Narcissists". Would a high school newspaper even make a mistake such as this? It's either sloppy, malicious, or both.

If someone referred to a "great black male" writer would you be equally offended? Or do you object to mention of his race? His sex? These details help paint a picture. They are not mentioned to offend.

If you read the article, he is defining this group of 'great white males' to be three writers who the literary world actually refer to as 'The Great Narcissists'.

https://www.dfwsociety.org/2017/12/02/call-for-papers-great-...

He specifically substituted 'narcissist' with 'white male' as if he's using it as a synonym.

Re: Philip Roth has died

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post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If someone referred to a "great black male" writer would you be equally offended? Or do you object to mention of his race? His sex? These details help paint a picture. They are not mentioned to offend.

If you read the article, he is defining this group of 'great white males' to be three writers who the literary world actually refer to as 'The Great Narcissists'. https://www.dfwsociety.org/2017/12/02/call-for-papers-great-... He specifically substituted 'narcissist' with 'white male' as if he's using it as a synonym.

He's not defining it, he's using a term readers might be familiar with:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/donotmigrate/3562536/Joh...

https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2017/08/28/michiko-k...

Re: Philip Roth has died

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post #63

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Sorry, I'm not following. Is "Great Male Narcissists" a popular pronoun in this context?

https://www.dfwsociety.org/2017/12/02/call-for-papers-great-...

You've linked to something associated with David Foster Wallace, but the author of the NYT obit is not David Foster Wallace.

Re: Philip Roth has died

#78
post #55

David Foster Wallace wrote a review of an Updike book in 1998 that also shed some light on Roth: http://observer.com/1997/10/john-updike-champion-literary-ph...

Brilliant and spot on. Everything here applies to the only Roth novel I read, Everyman.

Re: Philip Roth has died

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I just learnt about him and ordered my first book of his last night. Odd.

>I just learnt about him and ordered my first book of his last night. Odd. No odder than any of the billions of cases of people who hadn't just learned about him and ordered their first book of his last night, though. Edit: this is the same fallacy behind a good portion of claims of "miracles" and "supernatural" phenomena, and other apparent coincidences. If no one bought his book on the night before he died, that wo…

It's an odd experience for me personally, not an odd experience for the cosmos.
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