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Re: OS X is as old as the classic Mac OS was when it came out

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Post by _bxg1 »

code_duck wrote: post #50
_bxg1 wrote: post #8

I would honestly love to see a ground-up rebuild, but not the kind that would probably happen. OSX is getting creaky; it seems like it's had an increasing number of integral bugs lately, and the "redesign" that came with Yosemite felt more like a rushed coat of paint than a substantial rethink of the UX. Here's what I'd like to see: a fresh desktop OS that actually innovates in the space. Desktop UX innovation has sl…

As far as Ubuntu supporting window snapping, it’s worth noting that Linux has supported every conceivable window management feature for years, including some that have never come anywhere near Windows or Mac, like tiling window managers. making window management entirely modular. Every WM or desktop combo in Linux has other features I find highly convenient which are strangely missing from Mac and Windows, such as a…

Sure, but I don't think it was available out of the box for Ubuntu until recently (I could be wrong), and I also think Windows 7 invented snap-to-sides (could be wrong on this too).

Linux has always been the OS where you can do just about anything you want with enough research and effort, but it still matters what the most mainstream distro offers out of the box at any given time.

Re: OS X is as old as the classic Mac OS was when it came out

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Post by sn0wfire »

__sr__ wrote: post #62
_bxg1 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh. Well look at that. It's apparently hard to find, and it does appear that you're limited to splitting a "fullscreen" view - i.e., no menu bar, dock, or other windows - but it's better than nothing.

Yeah — not to mention the lack of keyboard controls like Windows 10. Sigh!

spectacle provides these features. But I agree, it should be part of the OS's UX

Re: OS X is as old as the classic Mac OS was when it came out

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Post by Khaine »

FPGAhacker wrote: post #45
ProfessorLayton wrote: post #27

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I agree that OSX is pretty creaky in certain areas, particularly the Finder for me. A spotty SMB/AFP connection should not lockup a system, and yet has remained a nightmare for as long as I can remember. Sadly, Apple has scared me off their legacy software rewrites with their rewrite of iTunes and High Sierra. The releases were either disastrously sloppy (High Sierra) or a complete letdown (iTunes remains hot garbage…

speaking of AFP, since apple is dumping their routers, does that mean time machine is going away? I imagine remote time machine will and we'll just have local snapshots.

Time machine is now supported over SMB. So no, time machine will live on using either a NAS or macOS Server.

I do wish Apple reconsidered their approach to time capsules, providing an appliance you could back up your machines to was genius. It helped family have proper back ups. Sadly, there is no easy everyday replacement in sight. For many the cloud is not yet an option.

Re: OS X is as old as the classic Mac OS was when it came out

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Post by trimbo »

kbob wrote: post #89
trimbo wrote: post #77

The NeXTStep years don't count?

Nor the CMU Mach years, nor the ancient Unix years?

Hm, well the way I think of it is, MacOS X 1.0 is to NeXTStep as Windows XP is to Windows NT.

Both were releases on a decade-plus-old codebase, and had features (Carbon, e.g.) aimed at migrating legacy users from DOS and Mac. IIRC, it did have some differences that made it incompatible with NeXTstep (like DPDF), but I remember getting it and thinking it's basically the same OS with some Mac emulation and a different skin.

Re: OS X is as old as the classic Mac OS was when it came out

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Post by indigodaddy »

sn0wfire wrote: post #92
__sr__ wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah — not to mention the lack of keyboard controls like Windows 10. Sigh!

spectacle provides these features. But I agree, it should be part of the OS's UX

Since finding out about Spectacle, I don't even really make use of BTT at all anymore, even though it is still installed and running...

Re: OS X is as old as the classic Mac OS was when it came out

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Post by ksec »

_bxg1 wrote: post #8

I would honestly love to see a ground-up rebuild, but not the kind that would probably happen. OSX is getting creaky; it seems like it's had an increasing number of integral bugs lately, and the "redesign" that came with Yosemite felt more like a rushed coat of paint than a substantial rethink of the UX. Here's what I'd like to see: a fresh desktop OS that actually innovates in the space. Desktop UX innovation has sl…

I think Apple do plan to rewrite some or large part of macOS. The problem is they surely want to do it in Swift, but Swift is no where near ready or stable enough for that use. Swift 5 were suppose to get ABI stability, may be that will be announced in WWDC.

Re: OS X is as old as the classic Mac OS was when it came out

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Post by reaperducer »

_bxg1 wrote: post #22
reaperducer wrote: post #19

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All I want for Christmas is macOS to stop showing me the SPOD whenever an external hard drive spins up. Reminds me of DOS days.

Don't even get me started on the SMB client. I have to use it at work and it has lovely features like: - Peppering the network drive with trash files containing OSX-specific metadata - Failing to reconnect when the computer goes to sleep, except not really because it thinks the drive is still there, but you have to go through the connection process all over again before you can actually use it. - Getting out of sync…

> Peppering the network drive with trash files containing OSX-specific metadata

There's an app that will automatically clean those up. Unfortunately, I can't remember the name of it right now. Hopefully it'll pop up on Google for you, if you're interested.

Re: OS X is as old as the classic Mac OS was when it came out

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Post by itomato »

thecosas wrote: post #3

Before anyone jumps on this claim, from the article: Now, there are plenty of caveats: There was a Mac OS X public beta. The funeral for Mac OS 9 wasn’t held until 2002. Classic Mode continued to function within Mac OS X until it was removed in Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard.

Apple II lived 5966 days, not including the IIe card for LC, which extends the lifespan to 6543 days.

Carbon lived until July 24, 2012. Including it as an "LTS" facility, Classic Mac OS lived 10,395 days.

By comparison Win NT (if you include Windows 10 as I do) is 9083 days old and counting.

Re: OS X is as old as the classic Mac OS was when it came out

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Post by stefanfisk »

_bxg1 wrote: post #22
reaperducer wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All I want for Christmas is macOS to stop showing me the SPOD whenever an external hard drive spins up. Reminds me of DOS days.

Don't even get me started on the SMB client. I have to use it at work and it has lovely features like: - Peppering the network drive with trash files containing OSX-specific metadata - Failing to reconnect when the computer goes to sleep, except not really because it thinks the drive is still there, but you have to go through the connection process all over again before you can actually use it. - Getting out of sync…

`defaults write com.apple.desktopservices DSDontWriteNetworkStores TRUE` should solve the first issue at least.

Re: OS X is as old as the classic Mac OS was when it came out

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Post by patrickg_zill »

gsnedders wrote: post #84
__sr__ wrote: post #16

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Microsoft brought their essentials — kernel, filesystem, API etc. — up to scratch in mid 2000s. Vista and and 8 may not have been successful, but they played an important role in the evolution of Windows and Microsoft is now reaping the rewards in the form of Windows 10 — an OS which was dubbed as horribly unstable at launch and yet has become rock solid with updates — except for some unfortunate decisions like force…

> Apple finally decided to overhaul their filesystem, but other things like the kernel, the API etc. still need the treatment. And a large proportion of the kernel and APIs very obviously go all the way back to early NeXT days; they're really as old as WinNT is.

Older, actually... NeXT 1.0 was released in 1989; first version of NT shipped in 1993.
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