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Re: Deadly Chinese Fentanyl Is Creating a New Era of Drug Kingpins

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Post by lawlessquestion » Wed, May 23, 2018, 10:39 PM UTC

jnbiche wrote: post #86

arca_vorago wrote: post #33

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Where do you think the CIA fucking learned it from? MI6 (who learned it in opium wars 1&2) taught to OSS (CIA) how to get funding off books so congress couldn't pull the purse strings and they could do whatever they wanted... and this has indeed been proven multiple times... You are the same kind of person who called us talking about NSA pre-Snowden "tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists" and then post-Snowden came out wi…

Anyone who was paying attention before Snowden knew there was mass surveillance happening. See Room 641A, Stellar Wind, Quest Communication's refusal to cooperate, etc. These were all reported well before Snowden in major media such as the NY Times, LA Times, Washington Post, etc. I remember many of these were first reported back in 2006. On the other hand, no reports on CIA programs selling crack cocaine to the inne…

Dark Alliance: The CIA, the Contras, and the Crack Cocaine Explosion is a 1998 book by journalist Gary Webb. The book is based on "Dark Alliance", Webb's three-part investigative series published in the San Jose Mercury News in August 1996. Wikipedia

The major news outlets for the most part did not dispute his facts, just used former cia reporters to discredit his conclusions. Which led to Gary Webb "committing suicide" by shooting himself twice in the head with a revolver

Re: Deadly Chinese Fentanyl Is Creating a New Era of Drug Kingpins

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Post by mabbo » Wed, May 23, 2018, 10:44 PM UTC

nacho2sweet wrote: post #49

Fentanyl is a huge problem in Vancouver, where we are usually ground zero for all new opiate trends. Besides killing over 1100 people a year in BC, the money also seeps back into our overheated real-estate market through casino money laundering. It is a crazy cycle. I have no idea why world governments and our own don't say and do more against China. Spineless.

> the money also seeps back into our overheated real-estate market through casino money laundering

That's actually not likely how they launder the money. Money laundering regulations in Canada say that large sums of money cashed out an casinos are reported to Fintrac[0], who datamine and analyze that stuff pretty extensively. My knowledge of their capabilities is over a decade old (internship way back), but even then they would catch on if you were moving millions of dollars per year through a casino.

Your bank also reports any large transactions or international money transfers- anything over $10k, and that number doesn't adjust with inflation afaik. They have a lot of data and they have built some pretty big cases out of it.

[0]http://www.fintrac-canafe.gc.ca/re-ed/casinos-eng.asp

Re: Deadly Chinese Fentanyl Is Creating a New Era of Drug Kingpins

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Post by dang » Wed, May 23, 2018, 10:44 PM UTC

arca_vorago wrote: post #33

StaticRedux wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The attack that never happened and/or has never been proven? From the line you yourself posted: "Webb's series led to three federal investigations, none of which found evidence of any conspiracy by the CIA or its employees to bring drugs into the United States."

Where do you think the CIA fucking learned it from? MI6 (who learned it in opium wars 1&2) taught to OSS (CIA) how to get funding off books so congress couldn't pull the purse strings and they could do whatever they wanted... and this has indeed been proven multiple times... You are the same kind of person who called us talking about NSA pre-Snowden "tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists" and then post-Snowden came out wi…

This crosses into personal attack. We ban accounts that do that. Please (re-)read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and post civilly and substantively, or not at all.

Re: Deadly Chinese Fentanyl Is Creating a New Era of Drug Kingpins

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Post by nimrod0 » Wed, May 23, 2018, 10:46 PM UTC

Koshkin wrote: post #104

smallnamespace wrote: post #58

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This is the downside of having global economic integration (buy anything from anywhere for the cost of USPS shipping) without political integration. It's the same type of problem as Greek debtors vs. German creditors except in a different context. Fentanyl analogues are not a problem in China, hence the relative slowness in cracking down on them. The supplier is in China, but the buyer is the West. Why does moral cul…

Well, who was to blame for the 19th century Opium Wars? The Chinese?

The Opium Wars began when the Chinese confiscated the British drug contraband (but property to the British) and lit a bonfire with them, as the opium trade was illegal. There is no comparison.

Re: Deadly Chinese Fentanyl Is Creating a New Era of Drug Kingpins

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Post by nacho2sweet » Wed, May 23, 2018, 10:51 PM UTC

mabbo wrote: post #112

nacho2sweet wrote: post #49

Fentanyl is a huge problem in Vancouver, where we are usually ground zero for all new opiate trends. Besides killing over 1100 people a year in BC, the money also seeps back into our overheated real-estate market through casino money laundering. It is a crazy cycle. I have no idea why world governments and our own don't say and do more against China. Spineless.

> the money also seeps back into our overheated real-estate market through casino money laundering That's actually not likely how they launder the money. Money laundering regulations in Canada say that large sums of money cashed out an casinos are reported to Fintrac[0], who datamine and analyze that stuff pretty extensively. My knowledge of their capabilities is over a decade old (internship way back), but even then…

Where you been dude. FINTRAC don't do shit. https://globalnews.ca/news/4149818/vancouver-cautionary-tale...

Re: Deadly Chinese Fentanyl Is Creating a New Era of Drug Kingpins

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Post by Maarten88 » Wed, May 23, 2018, 10:51 PM UTC

megaman22 wrote: post #48

gowld wrote: post #44

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Yet another reason we need a strong estate tax to prevent intergenerational overaccumulation of wealth.

Stealing someone's wealth away from their children just because they happen to die is one of the most repugnant things I can think of.

Why, philosophically, do you think that children of wealthy parents deserve to inherit that wealth more than anyone else? Is it luck that they are born rich? Are they the reincarnation of their deseased parent? Has God decided so?

Would you also support changing the US to a monarchy? Is it different to be born into wealth than born into power?

Re: Deadly Chinese Fentanyl Is Creating a New Era of Drug Kingpins

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Post by phlakaton » Wed, May 23, 2018, 10:55 PM UTC

Koshkin wrote: post #104

smallnamespace wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the downside of having global economic integration (buy anything from anywhere for the cost of USPS shipping) without political integration. It's the same type of problem as Greek debtors vs. German creditors except in a different context. Fentanyl analogues are not a problem in China, hence the relative slowness in cracking down on them. The supplier is in China, but the buyer is the West. Why does moral cul…

Well, who was to blame for the 19th century Opium Wars? The Chinese?

That was certainly how the British saw it: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Lord_Palmerston_to_the_Minist...

Re: Deadly Chinese Fentanyl Is Creating a New Era of Drug Kingpins

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Post by nimrod0 » Wed, May 23, 2018, 10:56 PM UTC

lr4444lr wrote: post #2

As an American, the irony of comeuppance isn't lost on me, given that we did have some involvement against them in the Opium Wars.

What Americans never learned (or have forgotten) is that drugs affect a whole society, not just the individual.

Re: Deadly Chinese Fentanyl Is Creating a New Era of Drug Kingpins

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Post by teunispeters » Wed, May 23, 2018, 10:58 PM UTC

vis52 wrote: post #57

nacho2sweet wrote: post #49

Fentanyl is a huge problem in Vancouver, where we are usually ground zero for all new opiate trends. Besides killing over 1100 people a year in BC, the money also seeps back into our overheated real-estate market through casino money laundering. It is a crazy cycle. I have no idea why world governments and our own don't say and do more against China. Spineless.

When did this start in Vancouver? I am actually surprised that something like this happens in Canada, usually seems that news report these sorts of "epidemics" mostly from the US.

maybe around when the first logging camps were set up in the early 1800s? It's been here longer than any of the cities have been. Oh, opium and addiction that is. The term "skid row" is said to originate here or Seattle - both have good claim to the term with similar history.

Fentanyl has been here for a long time, but it started getting mass imported a few years ago into drug rules and may be connected to why Canada's legalizing pot now. The death rates keep rising.

Re: Deadly Chinese Fentanyl Is Creating a New Era of Drug Kingpins

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Post by leetcrew » Wed, May 23, 2018, 11:04 PM UTC

Fricken wrote: post #109

smallnamespace wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the downside of having global economic integration (buy anything from anywhere for the cost of USPS shipping) without political integration. It's the same type of problem as Greek debtors vs. German creditors except in a different context. Fentanyl analogues are not a problem in China, hence the relative slowness in cracking down on them. The supplier is in China, but the buyer is the West. Why does moral cul…

Any supplier thinking long-term I'm sure will recognize the economic downside of killing off their clientele. It's in their interests to self-regulate and enforce stricter quality control standards to mitigate fatal overdoses.

> Any supplier thinking long-term I'm sure will recognize the economic downside of killing off their clientele

maybe, maybe not. often when someone overdoses, the dealer has customers lined up around the block the next day. addicts don't know whether that particular stuff was cut with fent or just stronger than usual, and they don't particularly care.

even if enough people were dying that it made a significant dent in sales, i doubt it would change anything for the suppliers. selling fentanyl as heroin is massively more profitable than just selling heroin, and there's no way to do it safely. low doses of heroin are in the tens of milligrams, while fentanyl can have a potent effect at doses less than one milligram. this makes it really hard to achieve a homogenous mixture; there's basically always going to be some potentially lethal hotspots.