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Deadly Chinese Fentanyl Is Creating a New Era of Drug Kingpins

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Re: Deadly Chinese Fentanyl Is Creating a New Era of Drug Kingpins

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Post by kazinator »

nfbush wrote: post #18
vis52 wrote: post #10

In Europe there are a lot of these so-called "research chemicals". They are basically illegal drugs but chemically they are different enough that they aren't illegal. I think the most well-known example is 1P-LSD.

1. Fent is not an RC, it is used in medicine 2. It's strongly regulated

The story provides a figure depicting the structural formula of actual fentanyl, and next to it similar fentanyl-like molecules that are being trafficked.

Caption: "Yan Xiaobing was indicted for distributing these similar compounds; making slight changes to the molecular structure can have unpredictable effects on potency."

Also: [I]n recent years, rogue chemists have unearthed instructions for analogues that researchers discovered decades ago but never put into legitimate use.

While Chinese authorities control fentanyl, they’ve been slow to ban new analogues.

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Post by astebbin »

chiefalchemist wrote: post #21

When drug kingpins + dealers kill off their customers, instead of addicting them to make as much money possible, then it feels like something more dark and ainister is at hand. Given the history in the USA (i.e., black communities) perhaps American officials are just culling the herd?

It’s how dealers drum up new business. When one customer ODs, other customers flock to the dealer whose product just proved its potency.

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Post by arca_vorago »

StaticRedux wrote: post #12
deft wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't forget the targeted attack on black communities through pushing crack cocaine and assisting smuggling efforts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_involvement_in_Contra_coca... https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/23/politics/john-ehrlichman-rich...

The attack that never happened and/or has never been proven? From the line you yourself posted: "Webb's series led to three federal investigations, none of which found evidence of any conspiracy by the CIA or its employees to bring drugs into the United States."

Where do you think the CIA fucking learned it from? MI6 (who learned it in opium wars 1&2) taught to OSS (CIA) how to get funding off books so congress couldn't pull the purse strings and they could do whatever they wanted... and this has indeed been proven multiple times...

You are the same kind of person who called us talking about NSA pre-Snowden "tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists" and then post-Snowden came out with all kinds of variations of "why are you surprised" and "we all already knew this whats the big deal", and "if you've nothing to hide you have nothing to fear" type of bullshit.

In the conspiracy theory arena, the main sticking point is that people far too often fail to understand the difference between inductive and deductive logic. In many cases we have very little evidence to go on, so we are forced to transition to inductive logic from deductive... but inevitably those decrying the lack of evidence the loudest tend to ignore the very real legitimacy of inductive logic and it's process when one is presented with a lack of hard evidence.

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Post by carapace »

vis52 wrote: post #28
derefr wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would say that, if you're speaking of the whole category of "research chemicals"—rather than just the psychotropic ones—it's actually easier to get them in North America than in Europe. Many of the actual pharma research companies creating this stuff are in the US, so there's no customs between you and an order of random-drug-sample #91245096. And even when there is, both the US and Canada are basically allow-then-…

I didn't actually know that. I randomly browsed Reddit and wandered onto the 1P-LSD thread and saw that most of the stores mentioned were in Germany, Netherlands, Spain so I just assumed that it was more of a Europe thing. EDIT: Any ideas why I get "You're posting too fast. Please slow down. Thanks."?

> Any ideas why I get "You're posting too fast. Please slow down. Thanks."?

You're probably posting too fast.

(Sorry, i had to...) ;-)

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Post by 394852034 »

lr4444lr wrote: post #2

As an American, the irony of comeuppance isn't lost on me, given that we did have some involvement against them in the Opium Wars.

Of course a self-loathing, self-hating, suicidally compulsive liberal degenerate would say such a thing. What is wrong with you people. People are dying and families and lives are being destroyed and whole communities crushed and decimated and all you psychopaths can say is that you are gleeful that America and the west is having chemical warfare waged against it for some fantastical, propaganda delusional narrative you have been misled to believe happened hundreds of years ago? You are sick.

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Post by thousandautumns »

vis52 wrote: post #10

In Europe there are a lot of these so-called "research chemicals". They are basically illegal drugs but chemically they are different enough that they aren't illegal. I think the most well-known example is 1P-LSD.

There was a Times article several years ago about the rise of synthetic cannabis and they said legislators can't keep up with new chemical formulations. They take several months to study and ban one chemical, and the manufacturers turn around and tweak it slightly and it's a "new" drug that hasn't been made illegal yet.

Re: Deadly Chinese Fentanyl Is Creating a New Era of Drug Kingpins

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Post by vis52 »

carapace wrote: post #34
vis52 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't actually know that. I randomly browsed Reddit and wandered onto the 1P-LSD thread and saw that most of the stores mentioned were in Germany, Netherlands, Spain so I just assumed that it was more of a Europe thing. EDIT: Any ideas why I get "You're posting too fast. Please slow down. Thanks."?

> Any ideas why I get "You're posting too fast. Please slow down. Thanks."? You're probably posting too fast. (Sorry, i had to...) ;-)

I can't blame ya ;)

TEST to see if it stopped happening

Re: Deadly Chinese Fentanyl Is Creating a New Era of Drug Kingpins

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Post by 394852034 »

deft wrote: post #7
lr4444lr wrote: post #2

As an American, the irony of comeuppance isn't lost on me, given that we did have some involvement against them in the Opium Wars.

Don't forget the targeted attack on black communities through pushing crack cocaine and assisting smuggling efforts. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_involvement_in_Contra_coca... https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/23/politics/john-ehrlichman-rich...

So because you believe something happened in the past that did not happen in the way you have been propagandized to believe, people should die at far greater rates and families and communities should be decimated ... ironically, exponentially more so in black communities? What is wrong with you sick people? Glee for the suffering and misery of people because other people may have done something you don't like to yet different people and did so a long time in the past. What vile and filthy hatred and savage spite. You're a heinous person.

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Post by gowld »

thousandautumns wrote: post #36
vis52 wrote: post #10

In Europe there are a lot of these so-called "research chemicals". They are basically illegal drugs but chemically they are different enough that they aren't illegal. I think the most well-known example is 1P-LSD.

There was a Times article several years ago about the rise of synthetic cannabis and they said legislators can't keep up with new chemical formulations. They take several months to study and ban one chemical, and the manufacturers turn around and tweak it slightly and it's a "new" drug that hasn't been made illegal yet.

That's not quite right. Legislators certainly can keep up; all they need to do pass a broad ban on chemicals with the undesired empirical properties.

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Post by gowld »

vis52 wrote: post #28
derefr wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would say that, if you're speaking of the whole category of "research chemicals"—rather than just the psychotropic ones—it's actually easier to get them in North America than in Europe. Many of the actual pharma research companies creating this stuff are in the US, so there's no customs between you and an order of random-drug-sample #91245096. And even when there is, both the US and Canada are basically allow-then-…

I didn't actually know that. I randomly browsed Reddit and wandered onto the 1P-LSD thread and saw that most of the stores mentioned were in Germany, Netherlands, Spain so I just assumed that it was more of a Europe thing. EDIT: Any ideas why I get "You're posting too fast. Please slow down. Thanks."?

It's a function of your rate of posting and your total karma and your recent average post karma.
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