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Apple Avoids Amazon’s Beauty Contest, Searches Secretly for New Campus

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Re: Apple Avoids Amazon’s Beauty Contest, Searches Secretly for New Campus

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Post by ghaff »

m_fayer wrote: post #29
kizer wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reap what you sow, Europer. Seriously though, is GDPR compliance that difficult? What does a news site have to do to comply?

If you're a small or medium sized non-tech publisher who outsourced the building of your digital publishing system 5 years ago and have been cruising along ever since, you might not be very motivated to spend real cash on a big new IT project to ensure your various server logs don't have IP addresses or other "personally identifying information" in them, just to name an example.

And, in this case, a local newspaper in a relatively small market. Their exposure is probably pretty limited but it's not hard to imagine a legal or compliance person asked IT is they were compliant with GPDR and the answer came back "dunno." At which point, the decision is between spend an hour to cut off EU access, decide to deliberately sweep any potential problem under the rug, or spend a fair bit of effort to do at least a compliance audit. #1 doesn't seem like a bad choice in this situation.

Re: Apple Avoids Amazon’s Beauty Contest, Searches Secretly for New Campus

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Post by empath75 »

plandis wrote: post #28
IkmoIkmo wrote: post #8

It's pretty clear it hasn't done Amazon's reputation any favours. And there's no reason to think government officials won't go above and beyond in offering incentives behind closed doors.

Why do you think that? I think Amazon will get what they want - mainly a city to capitulate to their demands. I’ve talked to people in Pittsburgh and Atlanta and the majority wanted Amazon. I don’t think most people realize outside of tech circles that Amazon will mostly bring people in rather than hiring locally and how much they have strained the infrastructure in Seattle.

I suspect that they won't. They really want to be in the DC area, and neither DC or MD or VA are going to bend over backwards for them.

Re: Apple Avoids Amazon’s Beauty Contest, Searches Secretly for New Campus

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Post by ianamartin »

imgabe wrote: post #45
kodablah wrote: post #26

I'm not sure comparing a second headquarters and a tech support site is apt. I'm not sure how loud the search is matters. WSJ is a joke. Look, I can twist words too: "While Amazon is clearer and open about employee counts and candidate locations for HQ2, Apple remains secret and opaque about any details even for small site". Abatements abound regardless, lets not treat the differences in culture between Amazon and Ap…

Not to mention, didn't Apple just build a billion dollar new headquarters building that was the subject of countless fawning articles?

Why build only one when you can build two for twice the price?

Re: Apple Avoids Amazon’s Beauty Contest, Searches Secretly for New Campus

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Post by frockington »

jrs95 wrote: post #13
bluedino wrote: post #2

A commenter on the article made a snarky reply about Apple choosing China as that's where a lot of the manufacturing is - I wonder why Apple/Amazon don't look internationally for HQ2? Are their international offices 'big enough' for what they need?

You'd have to be insane to keep any of your sensitive IP in China, honestly. But mostly I assume they stick to the U.S. because that's where the talent is (and that's the government they need to have the closest relationship with, too)

When I worked in telecom fake hardware and plans would routinely be given. Even non sensitive IP was never trusted with China

Re: Apple Avoids Amazon’s Beauty Contest, Searches Secretly for New Campus

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Post by advisedwang »

eldavido wrote: post #88
Karishma1234 wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amazon's beauty contest did seem completely counterintuitive to me. People with skin in the game are always in the know of things. Even if Amazon had not massively advertised its move cities and states would have worked hard to bring them to their shores. I did not understand why ordinary public had to be drawn into it. Your average joe is always going to oppose a disruption in his otherwise mundane and lazy life. Ap…

I really don't understand why there's this huge presumption of ill will toward Amazon. HQ2 is a project that will involve hundreds of thousands/millions of people when you add up the employees, contractors who will build it, local politicians/electorate, and everyone else. There's just no way to keep something that big secret. It seems easier to just come clean, announce to the world what you're doing, and be open ab…

The complaint isn't that Amazon is expanding into other locations. The complaint is that Amazon is using this to play cities off against each other. It's a race for the bottom designed to maximize gain for Amazon at the cost of the commons.

Re: Apple Avoids Amazon’s Beauty Contest, Searches Secretly for New Campus

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Post by datamingle »

Karishma1234 wrote: post #84
kodablah wrote: post #26

I'm not sure comparing a second headquarters and a tech support site is apt. I'm not sure how loud the search is matters. WSJ is a joke. Look, I can twist words too: "While Amazon is clearer and open about employee counts and candidate locations for HQ2, Apple remains secret and opaque about any details even for small site". Abatements abound regardless, lets not treat the differences in culture between Amazon and Ap…

Amazon's beauty contest did seem completely counterintuitive to me. People with skin in the game are always in the know of things. Even if Amazon had not massively advertised its move cities and states would have worked hard to bring them to their shores. I did not understand why ordinary public had to be drawn into it. Your average joe is always going to oppose a disruption in his otherwise mundane and lazy life. Ap…

Marketing, that is how it works.

Re: Apple Avoids Amazon’s Beauty Contest, Searches Secretly for New Campus

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Post by wilsonnb »

weberc2 wrote: post #46
kodablah wrote: post #26

I'm not sure comparing a second headquarters and a tech support site is apt. I'm not sure how loud the search is matters. WSJ is a joke. Look, I can twist words too: "While Amazon is clearer and open about employee counts and candidate locations for HQ2, Apple remains secret and opaque about any details even for small site". Abatements abound regardless, lets not treat the differences in culture between Amazon and Ap…

> WSJ is a joke I agree with the rest of your post, but no need to single out the WSJ. Compared to other major publications that regularly have editorialized articles submitted to this forum (e.g., NYT, WashPo, HuffPo, Slate, etc), WSJ is extraordinarily well-behaved. This kind of editorializing is a shame and deserves to be called out, but we should make sure we're calling it out across the board.

I wouldn't throw the New York Times and the Washington Post in the same bucket as the Huffington Post and Slate without some good evidence backing it up. It reinforces the idea that all news sources are roughly the same which is not true.

WaPo and NYT are national newspapers founded in the 1800's who compete with the Wall Street Journal, Associated Press, the LA Times, Reuters, etc.

HuffPo and Slate are news websites launched in the 90's or 2000's that are competing with sites like Breitbart, Salon, the Daily Beast, etc.

I agree that we should call out this kind of article, but I don't like spreading the conception that click-bait based news websites are equally as reliable as more trustworthy sources.

Re: Apple Avoids Amazon’s Beauty Contest, Searches Secretly for New Campus

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Post by r00fus »

ianamartin wrote: post #94
imgabe wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to mention, didn't Apple just build a billion dollar new headquarters building that was the subject of countless fawning articles?

Why build only one when you can build two for twice the price?

"Only, this one can be kept secret."... Gotta love Contact references.

Re: Apple Avoids Amazon’s Beauty Contest, Searches Secretly for New Campus

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Post by Karishma1234 »

eldavido wrote: post #88
Karishma1234 wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amazon's beauty contest did seem completely counterintuitive to me. People with skin in the game are always in the know of things. Even if Amazon had not massively advertised its move cities and states would have worked hard to bring them to their shores. I did not understand why ordinary public had to be drawn into it. Your average joe is always going to oppose a disruption in his otherwise mundane and lazy life. Ap…

I really don't understand why there's this huge presumption of ill will toward Amazon. HQ2 is a project that will involve hundreds of thousands/millions of people when you add up the employees, contractors who will build it, local politicians/electorate, and everyone else. There's just no way to keep something that big secret. It seems easier to just come clean, announce to the world what you're doing, and be open ab…

Sorry if I came across as Anti-Amazon. In fact I am very pro-Amazon and I love the fact that Amazon is making cities battle it out. A future where city mayors and state governors have to actively fight for investment and when they fail they are seen as incompetent bozos would be good for democracy and people. Amazon has my full support for their move to pit city against city.

My point was that not dragging ordinary people into this might have helped Amazon get a better deal. Why should general public know what deals these mayors and governors are cutting ? (In Amazon's perspective, it is good for democracy if the fight is in open)

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