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Apple Avoids Amazon’s Beauty Contest, Searches Secretly for New Campus

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Re: Apple Avoids Amazon’s Beauty Contest, Searches Secretly for New Campus

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Post by oicie0uD »

m_fayer wrote: post #25
Reason077 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow: "We are a local media company based in Raleigh, North Carolina, USA. We have detected that you are in one of the member countries of the European Union, which is now subject to the General Data Protection Regulation. ... Until we are able to ensure our full compliance with the rigorous GDPR requirements, we are blocking access from EU countries to our websites , which include wral.com, wralsportsfan.com, highsch…

On the one hand I think this is a great sign that the GDPR is being taken seriously. On the other, I see this as corporate speak for "We're not sure if ensuring compliance makes business sense for us and this notice may actually be permanent. You're from a region where anyone interested in our content is probably a long-tail outlier that won't make us much money, so ensuring access for you is not a priority." I reall…

> We're not sure if ensuring compliance makes business sense

If that is the the case then it is working as intended. Instead of just ignoring regulation and writing off a small risk of some fixed and difficult to enforce fine as cost of business the "4% of global revenue" clause puts the fear of god into companies.

Re: Apple Avoids Amazon’s Beauty Contest, Searches Secretly for New Campus

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Post by sigstoat »

projectramo wrote: post #30
jrs95 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'd have to be insane to keep any of your sensitive IP in China, honestly. But mostly I assume they stick to the U.S. because that's where the talent is (and that's the government they need to have the closest relationship with, too)

Isn't all Apple's hardware IP "in" China?

as a simple example, not necessarily realistic, consider the circuit boards of the iphone.

yes, they've got to ship the gerber files to china so the boardhouses can fab the boards. but those are just images of the copper and mask layers. apple doesn't have to ship the electrical schematics, with tolerances and notes and explanations of why things are done the way they're done, outside of their office building in california.

same with their ASICs; the masks and such have got to go to the fabs, but not the HDL describing the logic.

so, certainly some of their IP ends up over there, but not necessarily the juiciest bits.

Re: Apple Avoids Amazon’s Beauty Contest, Searches Secretly for New Campus

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Post by felixgallo »

plandis wrote: post #28
IkmoIkmo wrote: post #8

It's pretty clear it hasn't done Amazon's reputation any favours. And there's no reason to think government officials won't go above and beyond in offering incentives behind closed doors.

Why do you think that? I think Amazon will get what they want - mainly a city to capitulate to their demands. I’ve talked to people in Pittsburgh and Atlanta and the majority wanted Amazon. I don’t think most people realize outside of tech circles that Amazon will mostly bring people in rather than hiring locally and how much they have strained the infrastructure in Seattle.

I can only speak from my experience, but as an Amazonian working in a non-Seattle office, we hired essentially completely locally. We have a few transfers, but it's much more of a pain in the ass to get people moved than it is to find talent in the area. Hiring in LA, by the way.

Re: Apple Avoids Amazon’s Beauty Contest, Searches Secretly for New Campus

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Post by Steltek »

plandis wrote: post #28
IkmoIkmo wrote: post #8

It's pretty clear it hasn't done Amazon's reputation any favours. And there's no reason to think government officials won't go above and beyond in offering incentives behind closed doors.

Why do you think that? I think Amazon will get what they want - mainly a city to capitulate to their demands. I’ve talked to people in Pittsburgh and Atlanta and the majority wanted Amazon. I don’t think most people realize outside of tech circles that Amazon will mostly bring people in rather than hiring locally and how much they have strained the infrastructure in Seattle.

> how much they have strained the infrastructure in Seattle

You could rephrase this as "How much Seattle's entrenched interests have crippled the city's growth". How many towns and cities would love to have the problem of too many jobs?

Re: Apple Avoids Amazon’s Beauty Contest, Searches Secretly for New Campus

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Post by imgabe »

kodablah wrote: post #26

I'm not sure comparing a second headquarters and a tech support site is apt. I'm not sure how loud the search is matters. WSJ is a joke. Look, I can twist words too: "While Amazon is clearer and open about employee counts and candidate locations for HQ2, Apple remains secret and opaque about any details even for small site". Abatements abound regardless, lets not treat the differences in culture between Amazon and Ap…

Not to mention, didn't Apple just build a billion dollar new headquarters building that was the subject of countless fawning articles?

Re: Apple Avoids Amazon’s Beauty Contest, Searches Secretly for New Campus

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Post by weberc2 »

kodablah wrote: post #26

I'm not sure comparing a second headquarters and a tech support site is apt. I'm not sure how loud the search is matters. WSJ is a joke. Look, I can twist words too: "While Amazon is clearer and open about employee counts and candidate locations for HQ2, Apple remains secret and opaque about any details even for small site". Abatements abound regardless, lets not treat the differences in culture between Amazon and Ap…

> WSJ is a joke

I agree with the rest of your post, but no need to single out the WSJ. Compared to other major publications that regularly have editorialized articles submitted to this forum (e.g., NYT, WashPo, HuffPo, Slate, etc), WSJ is extraordinarily well-behaved. This kind of editorializing is a shame and deserves to be called out, but we should make sure we're calling it out across the board.

Re: Apple Avoids Amazon’s Beauty Contest, Searches Secretly for New Campus

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Post by NickBusey »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #35
bluedino wrote: post #2

A commenter on the article made a snarky reply about Apple choosing China as that's where a lot of the manufacturing is - I wonder why Apple/Amazon don't look internationally for HQ2? Are their international offices 'big enough' for what they need?

You can't just open an office in China; you need to be a Chinese company for that, founded by a Chinese native. Second, any Chinese company above 1000 employees needs to have a communist party shadow management - that is, for every manager above a certain level, a party representative is active at the exact same rank with the same (probably slightly higher) management power. That's for China though, for other countri…

Interesting. If this is the case, I wonder how many companies there are with 999 employees?

Re: Apple Avoids Amazon’s Beauty Contest, Searches Secretly for New Campus

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Post by AckSyn »

assblaster wrote: post #20
tambourine_man wrote: post #7

Paywall. Alternative link?

Just add "full" before wsj.com in the URL, and you'll go directly to the free article via Facebook affiliate link.

I'm a fan of screenshots myself: http://i.imgs.fyi/img/3d52.png

Re: Apple Avoids Amazon’s Beauty Contest, Searches Secretly for New Campus

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Post by bdamm »

weberc2 wrote: post #46
kodablah wrote: post #26

I'm not sure comparing a second headquarters and a tech support site is apt. I'm not sure how loud the search is matters. WSJ is a joke. Look, I can twist words too: "While Amazon is clearer and open about employee counts and candidate locations for HQ2, Apple remains secret and opaque about any details even for small site". Abatements abound regardless, lets not treat the differences in culture between Amazon and Ap…

> WSJ is a joke I agree with the rest of your post, but no need to single out the WSJ. Compared to other major publications that regularly have editorialized articles submitted to this forum (e.g., NYT, WashPo, HuffPo, Slate, etc), WSJ is extraordinarily well-behaved. This kind of editorializing is a shame and deserves to be called out, but we should make sure we're calling it out across the board.

The real story here is that WSJ posted a news article with an implicit bias against Amazon. This is interesting because Bezos owns WSJ.
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