Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today • Hacker News Board

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Post by lprd » Wed, May 23, 2018, 1:25 PM UTC

repolfx wrote: post #141

mns wrote: post #101

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I thought we are on hackernews here, and not some bullshit propaganda spreading site. Can you provide a documented example of devaluing your currency? Can you provide the number of illegal refugees that came to welfare states (can you name those welfare states?), regulating the form of cucumbers? Who are you, Nigel Farage? https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/straight-cucumbers/

Are you aware that in recent years the ECB has engaged in one of the two largest money printing runs in human history? The ECB's balance sheet as a share of GDP is still increasing. Only Japan's central bank has done more. And are you aware that when you create money, the value of that currency drops to reflect that? If it didn't any country could become infinitely wealthy by just printing money endlessly. Obviously…

Can you provide sources, please?

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Post by tscs37 » Wed, May 23, 2018, 1:26 PM UTC

kiriakasis wrote: post #34

vixen99 wrote: post #7

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The form of the meeting gave no chance for more than fleeting cross-questioning and ensured that while sharp questions could be asked in plenty Zuckerberg was free to respond with loose generalities and was never put on the spot.

That is the point I think, let him show his commitment or his lack thereof. He did answer the spiky questions by ignoring them. (I know a real answer would be more useful to us, but I believe that what most interested MEP were Zuckerberg intents)

I think they were interested in getting answers from Zuck but with how the session turned out, I think most of them have most of the answers they need even if Mark didn't speak it out loud.

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Post by tjoff » Wed, May 23, 2018, 1:40 PM UTC

Roritharr wrote: post #86

What struck me as quite interesting was Guy Verhofstadts sideremarks. >"You have to ask yourself how you will be remembered," he said. "As one of the three big internet giants together with Steve Jobs and Bill Gates, who have enriched our world and our societies, or on the other hand, the genius that created a digital monster that is destroying our democracies and societies." I imagine you have to talk like this to a…

"As one of the three big internet giants together with Steve Jobs and Bill Gates..."

Please, that's just a poor attempt at flattery, right?

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Post by icebraining » Wed, May 23, 2018, 1:53 PM UTC

VonGallifrey wrote: post #289

adventured wrote: post #261

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Which is another way of saying that people in the EU do not have the right of ownership over their own lives or property, including their data - that the State owns it and dictates what may be done with it. Terrifying. It's funny though, to watch everyone talk about how people should own their data in these threads. And there's the EU proclaiming plainly that you in fact do not own your data and may not do with it as…

How did you get that impression. When I read this I get a completely different meaning from it. The State does not own my live or property and they are also not dictating what I can do with it. They are dictating that no one else can do what they want with MY live, property or data without my explicit consent. The state can not give consent to my data: only I can.

adventured is saying that the State removed your possibility of using your data as payment, since now you can't consent if it's a condition of use of the service.

Or to put it another way: the problem with inalienable rights is that you can't alienate them :)

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Post by blubb-fish » Wed, May 23, 2018, 1:57 PM UTC

rndgermandude wrote: post #104

phicoh wrote: post #69

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Just my impression: if this was Google, then yes. It is very hard to replace Google at this point in time. Facebook is on its way out. Due to the network effect, Facebook will stay relevant for a long time. But if Facebook would leave the EU then it wouldn't take long for other social networks to take its place. Facebook is relevant because everybody is on Facebook. Not because it is such a great service. Personally,…

Let's pretend facebook leaves and a EU competitor who follows the GDPR comes alive and Europeans start using it... And the other people outside the EU start using it to stay connected with their EU friends and family... and companies all around the world start using it to stay connected with their EU clientèle... and some major "celebs" start using it either as a political statement or because they don't like that fa…

I don't remember any significant bugs in studivz. Also, in my opinion, the site's design was very clear and straightforward. I definitely preferred it over Facebook and would still.

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Post by reitanqild » Wed, May 23, 2018, 1:57 PM UTC

patio11 wrote: post #213

saiya-jin wrote: post #138

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you mean that we treat people like human beings with their own rights, and not some spreadsheet item of potential revenue that have these dumb but exploitable thing called emotions and desires?

Human rights, emotions, and desires are relatively distant to why Europe fined Microsoft about a billion dollars. The thing which got them very vexed was, per the extensive written record of administrative actions, bundling Windows Media Player.

IE was already taken by the time EU came around looking for a reason to give them some well deserved punishment IIRC?

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Post by reitanqild » Wed, May 23, 2018, 2:05 PM UTC

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #60

known wrote: post #11

FB is perfect example for monopoly abuse

Do explain. Also, unlike e.g. Intel who got a huge fine from the EU for price deals with OEMs, Facebook didn't use dirty tricks to gain market share.

Lying about their capabilities and intentions when buying WhatsApp doesn't count?

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Post by icebraining » Wed, May 23, 2018, 2:19 PM UTC

dragonwriter wrote: post #275

icebraining wrote: post #191

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"If the processing is necessary for a contract with the individual, processing is lawful on this basis and you do not need to get separate consent." https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/guide-to-the-general-da...

There has to be a contract that it is necessary for, which is, itself, consent, and therefore does not—as your quote says—require separate consent.

Fair enough, I was incorrectly restricting "consent" to the one given separately.

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Post by Fnoord » Wed, May 23, 2018, 2:22 PM UTC

rusk wrote: post #251

Drakim wrote: post #243

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Is it? The same could be said for Americans speaking an European language.

I just mean with Brexit and all ... if the English leave, English will be deprecated as an official language, yet it will still be the lingua franca of European Business. It's just a kind of a funny, and slightly ironic situation I think. EDIT: I think actually it speaks very much to how european unity is about so much more than just the EU. By extension how culture and national identity is about so much more than wh…

> if the English leave

The Brits.

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Post by bartread » Wed, May 23, 2018, 2:24 PM UTC

kodablah wrote: post #240

NicoJuicy wrote: post #232

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Depends, he's not wrong if facebook is used as a propaganda device

Disagree. FB will not be our destruction. This kind of hyperbole (and getting others to believe it) harms the type of rational discourse they claim they wanted. I disagree with the evasiveness of course, but this is grandstanding and witch-hunting. With those types of statements, how could one expect a productive inquiry? (hint: one couldn't...it was pandering/posturing and it accomplished that goal)

Inclined to agree. In $job_i_had we dealt with a partner who would routinely ratchet the rhetoric up to the max in this way and all it did was foster bad feeling, damage morale and productivity, as well as block any further useful discourse on whatever topic was under discussion. Not only was it extremely frustrating to deal with, but it didn't achieve anything. It certainly didn't get them what they (thought they) wanted any quicker - quite the opposite in some cases.

All this to show off in front of colleagues/superiors/underlings, or to give the impression of doing something or being actively involved in the process whilst actively causing harm and wasting other peoples' time.

I was occasionally heard to mutter that they could scarcely have done more to sabotage the project if they were actively trying to, which I don't believe they were.

(Btw, I'm not defending facebook: just saying that if you're really making honest enquiries or trying to have a productive discussion, this is not the way to go about it.)