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Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Post by robin_reala »

blowski wrote: post #6
icebraining wrote: post #3

There's some irony in getting the Oath panel forcing me to consent to their tracking (in apparent violation of the GDPR) before showing me an article about Facebook's data handling problems. By the way, if you want to read the article without agreeing to their stuff, stop the page load after the article shows up. https://guce.oath.com/collectConsent?brandType=nonEu&.done=h...

Why would that violate GDPR?

Requiring consent as a pre-condition of a service is frowned upon under GDPR. If you have a legitimate requirement (which is fairly rigidly defined under GDPR) or legal obligations for that data then you don’t need user consent, but if you don’t then you need to offer the service regardless of the user consent or not.

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Post by yread »

robin_reala wrote: post #13
blowski wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would that violate GDPR?

Requiring consent as a pre-condition of a service is frowned upon under GDPR. If you have a legitimate requirement (which is fairly rigidly defined under GDPR) or legal obligations for that data then you don’t need user consent, but if you don’t then you need to offer the service regardless of the user consent or not.

I think that's where the wiggle room (or court battleground?) of GDPR will be. Lots of companies do that: Quora, Pinterest,...

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Post by Tharkun »

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #8
blowski wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would that violate GDPR?

you're not allowed to say usage of an application/service is conditional on accepting data collection.

I still don't see why not. Maybe it's what GDPR says, but it's wrong and I can't see this being enforced. If data collection is the "payment" for using the "service", you have two choices: you don't pay and don't use the service, or you pay up.

This is like saying a business can't make usage of a service conditional to payment.

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Post by weinzierl »

Most press I’ve read so far in Europe is largely neutral or positive about Zuckerberg but very negative about the procedings, the parliament and conduct of the representatives. This is unusual but in my option justified.

Here is one particularly devastating article (Google Translate):

https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&...

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Post by icebraining »

Tharkun wrote: post #18
bryanrasmussen wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you're not allowed to say usage of an application/service is conditional on accepting data collection.

I still don't see why not. Maybe it's what GDPR says, but it's wrong and I can't see this being enforced. If data collection is the "payment" for using the "service", you have two choices: you don't pay and don't use the service, or you pay up. This is like saying a business can't make usage of a service conditional to payment.

"In the EU, personal information cannot be conceived as a mere economic asset: according to the case law of the European Court of Human Rights, the processing of personal data requires protection to ensure a person's enjoyment of the right to respect for private life and freedom of expression and association".

https://edps.europa.eu/sites/edp/files/publication/16-09-23_...

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