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Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Post by icebraining »

IshKebab wrote: post #155
icebraining wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Requiring extraneous consent as a precondition of service, that is, requiring consent for some processing as a precondition of provision of a service that does not depend on that processing is an indication that consent is coerced rather than freely given, and hence not effective consent, under the GDPR. But if the service does depend on that processing, then you don't need to ask for consent at all, so why would you…

You still need to ask for consent.

"If the processing is necessary for a contract with the individual, processing is lawful on this basis and you do not need to get separate consent."

https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/guide-to-the-general-da...

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Post by ionised »

patio11 wrote: post #112
Roritharr wrote: post #86

What struck me as quite interesting was Guy Verhofstadts sideremarks. >"You have to ask yourself how you will be remembered," he said. "As one of the three big internet giants together with Steve Jobs and Bill Gates, who have enriched our world and our societies, or on the other hand, the genius that created a digital monster that is destroying our democracies and societies." I imagine you have to talk like this to a…

Presumably Zuckerberg has learned the lesson of Bill Gates: Europe periodically discovers a reason to fine American tech companies large-but-relatively-immaterial amounts of money. Then you eventually graduate to being Old Money, and Europe reminisces fondly about you.

Boohoo, those poor American multinationals.

How about just follow the fucking laws and regulations of the countries you do business in?

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Post by zingmars »

brandonsometig wrote: post #174
sparkling wrote: post #152

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It's not FUD, its not a myth, its real: Commission Regulation (EEC) No 1677/88 of 15 June 1988 laying down quality standards for cucumbers [1] Yes i know this regulation is no longer in place, thats not the point. The point is that the EU is a overblown bureaucracy that should not be in charge of regulating every silly little aspect of life across the various member states. And yes, they are STILL passing laws like t…

Classifying produce only helps the consumer. You'd be a little annoyed if every week you went to the supermarket and they had a varying quality/size of produce but the price remained the same.

While I agree with quality standards, if the produce is priced by the kilo, it might certainly be more beneficial to have different sizes of it.

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Post by sgift »

sparkling wrote: post #185
ricardobeat wrote: post #105

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As an EU resident I am so, so glad immigration and terrorism are not priorities. There are more important things to worry about (such as privacy, housing, equality, welfare).

You realize that massive refugee influx directly affects topics such as housing, equality, welfare - right?

Only in the dreams of some people where all of these were not massive problems before. Sure, more people may make some very small dent on these issues, but nothing remotely relevant. Despite all the fear-mongering there has not been a "massive" refugee influx, but a very, very small one.

This is an age-old strategy of "make sure those who have less fight each other for scraps instead of asking the rich to pay their fair share."

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Post by ionised »

fvdessen wrote: post #125
gambiting wrote: post #93

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>>Im pretty sure the fall of the EU has little to do with Facebook Wait, what? EU is doing better than ever and it looks like after Brexit we will enjoy greater integration, and hopefully a full financial and political union in the future. If this is what a "fall" looks like to you, then I don't really know what to say to you - but from the rest of your sentence it seems like you don't like EU as an institution, so I…

Maybe the EU is doing better than ever on some metrics, but I find it quite scary how over the last 20 years, Europe has completely missed the train on technology. We are now in a vassal position where we have to beg foreign CEOs to have some sort of view / control over the technology that runs our society. And it's not getting any better. GDPR is too little too late, and may even be counterproductive[1]. It would ha…

There is no technology train to miss.

It's never too late to start investing in the tech sector.

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sparkling wrote: post #137
gambiting wrote: post #93

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>>Im pretty sure the fall of the EU has little to do with Facebook Wait, what? EU is doing better than ever and it looks like after Brexit we will enjoy greater integration, and hopefully a full financial and political union in the future. If this is what a "fall" looks like to you, then I don't really know what to say to you - but from the rest of your sentence it seems like you don't like EU as an institution, so I…

So you are saying the EU is doing "better than ever" but yet, in every recent national election in the EU we have seen massive wins for anti-EU parties and movements? Just to name a few: Czech Republic, Italy, Poland, Hungary, France. Add to that a failing currency, massive debt in the southern EU member states, the next banking crisis ready to come. Do you believe that it is a sustainable model to have Germany guara…

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Post by ionised »

sparkling wrote: post #137
gambiting wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>Im pretty sure the fall of the EU has little to do with Facebook Wait, what? EU is doing better than ever and it looks like after Brexit we will enjoy greater integration, and hopefully a full financial and political union in the future. If this is what a "fall" looks like to you, then I don't really know what to say to you - but from the rest of your sentence it seems like you don't like EU as an institution, so I…

So you are saying the EU is doing "better than ever" but yet, in every recent national election in the EU we have seen massive wins for anti-EU parties and movements? Just to name a few: Czech Republic, Italy, Poland, Hungary, France. Add to that a failing currency, massive debt in the southern EU member states, the next banking crisis ready to come. Do you believe that it is a sustainable model to have Germany guara…

I'm struggling to see what massive wins you are referring to here.

The only 'win' I can think of of the top of my head was the UK referendum, which was 52/48 in favour of leaving. Polls taken now suggest that people are now mostly against leaving but the referendum result still stands.

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Post by damontal »

bambataa wrote: post #168
adam-_- wrote: post #77

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That network effect can't be underestimated. In the olden days of a new social network every other week the percentage of my friends and family on each social network (including Myspace, the most dominant) was relatively low, so the pain of switching was low. Now the percentage on Facebook is extremely high and I don't even know what an alternative would be. Lots of friends and family are on Whatsapp, quite a lot of…

Do the people you know actually engage with Facebook a lot, though? I'm still on it and log in a few times a week but I engage far less. I recently used a Chrome extension to delete my old comments and I'm surprised at how much more I posted on it (and publicly, too). Although changing the newsfeed to be mostly memes and adverts was one cause of my disengagement, I think it's also just changing use. I haven't really…

anecdotal, but on my daily commute i see people "engaging" with facebook (and instagram) all the time.

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Post by doikor »

sparkling wrote: post #154
Dumbdo wrote: post #106

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Yeah it seems like this guy doesn't even know how the EU works. If you reduce it to "they regulate cucumbers but don't care about real threats" you probably fell for some cheap propaganda but it doesn't speak for your understanding of EU regulations.

Its not FUD, its not a myth, its not cheap propaganda, its real: Commission Regulation (EEC) No 1677/88 of 15 June 1988 laying down quality standards for cucumbers [1] Yes i know this regulation is no longer in place, thats not the point. The point is that the EU is a overblown bureaucracy that should not be in charge of regulating every silly little aspect of life across the various member states. And yes, they are…

The power consumption regulation (actually giving it a grade) for vacuum cleaners is just continuation of what EU has been doing with a lot of other household appliances like dishwashers/fridges/etc. Basically once you mandate a easy to understand energy consumption rating system to some type of product people do start to care about it. Especially if you mandate that this score has to be visible on the packaging and all advertising material.

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Post by ionised »

mikejb wrote: post #175
icebraining wrote: post #164

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All that law does is standardize various classes. It's a extremely common measure for facilitating trade, e.g. https://www.ams.usda.gov/grades-standards/cucumber-grades-an... https://www.unece.org/fileadmin/DAM/trade/agr/standard/fresh...

I guess the Facebook post he got his info from didn't mention that.

I'm guessing the Daily Mail.
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