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Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Post by mns »

sparkling wrote: post #89
Roritharr wrote: post #86

What struck me as quite interesting was Guy Verhofstadts sideremarks. >"You have to ask yourself how you will be remembered," he said. "As one of the three big internet giants together with Steve Jobs and Bill Gates, who have enriched our world and our societies, or on the other hand, the genius that created a digital monster that is destroying our democracies and societies." I imagine you have to talk like this to a…

"Destroying democracies"? Oh please. Im pretty sure the fall of the EU has little to do with Facebook. Maybe these EU officials should look at their own parlament for blame for once. Perhaps stop robbing your people by artificially devaluing your currency, stop the influx of illegal refugees into the welfare states, stop passing silly laws regulating the form of cucumbers etc. - i could go on and on.

I thought we are on hackernews here, and not some bullshit propaganda spreading site. Can you provide a documented example of devaluing your currency? Can you provide the number of illegal refugees that came to welfare states (can you name those welfare states?), regulating the form of cucumbers? Who are you, Nigel Farage? https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/straight-cucumbers/

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Post by zaarn »

skrebbel wrote: post #74
scaryclam wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same here in the UK. Nothing positive about Zuckerberg so far, so I'm not sure what media the parent is reading.

> I'm not sure what media the parent is reading. Um, Der Spiegel apparently.

SPON would be the only outlet that framed the story that way tbh.

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Post by iknowstuff »

sparkling wrote: post #89
Roritharr wrote: post #86

What struck me as quite interesting was Guy Verhofstadts sideremarks. >"You have to ask yourself how you will be remembered," he said. "As one of the three big internet giants together with Steve Jobs and Bill Gates, who have enriched our world and our societies, or on the other hand, the genius that created a digital monster that is destroying our democracies and societies." I imagine you have to talk like this to a…

"Destroying democracies"? Oh please. Im pretty sure the fall of the EU has little to do with Facebook. Maybe these EU officials should look at their own parlament for blame for once. Perhaps stop robbing your people by artificially devaluing your currency, stop the influx of illegal refugees into the welfare states, stop passing silly laws regulating the form of cucumbers etc. - i could go on and on.

You are the reason we need to fight fake news.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/11/boris-johns...

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Post by rndgermandude »

phicoh wrote: post #69
thebradbain wrote: post #55

If worst comes to worst and EU tries to break up Facebook — and it seems likely they might — what would be Facebook’s best path forward? Theoretically, would it send a stronger signal to US regulators if Facebook simply shut down all operation in the EU? A pop up message to all EU citizens along the lines of “You may no longer access Facebook from within the EU due to X Y and Z from your government. As such, all of y…

Just my impression: if this was Google, then yes. It is very hard to replace Google at this point in time. Facebook is on its way out. Due to the network effect, Facebook will stay relevant for a long time. But if Facebook would leave the EU then it wouldn't take long for other social networks to take its place. Facebook is relevant because everybody is on Facebook. Not because it is such a great service. Personally,…

Let's pretend facebook leaves and a EU competitor who follows the GDPR comes alive and Europeans start using it... And the other people outside the EU start using it to stay connected with their EU friends and family... and companies all around the world start using it to stay connected with their EU clientèle... and some major "celebs" start using it either as a political statement or because they don't like that facebook invades their privacy... and then other people outside the EU start using it to stay connected with the other outside-EU people, celebs and companies who already started using it...

We actually had a "facebook" in Germany once named StudiVZ. What killed it was low quality (i.e. many bugs), mismanagement, but more importantly facebook's network effect. If facebook leaves or gets pushed out of the EU, it's entirely possible it will suffer a lot or even go the MySpace route, being hit by hard by the network effect a new European player may create.

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Post by ricardobeat »

repolfx wrote: post #94
flukus wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that was a reference to the US election interference, not the EU.

It's both. Verhofstadt is a full-blown European federalist (people who want Europe to be united under a single government and single flag). The fortunes of that dream have not been good lately, and he's looking for people to blame that aren't people like himself. I find it pathetic. Verhofstadt and people like him are one of the things that turned me off the EU and turned me into a Brexit voter. They routinely descri…

As an EU resident I am so, so glad immigration and terrorism are not priorities. There are more important things to worry about (such as privacy, housing, equality, welfare).

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Post by Dumbdo »

mikejb wrote: post #96
sparkling wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Destroying democracies"? Oh please. Im pretty sure the fall of the EU has little to do with Facebook. Maybe these EU officials should look at their own parlament for blame for once. Perhaps stop robbing your people by artificially devaluing your currency, stop the influx of illegal refugees into the welfare states, stop passing silly laws regulating the form of cucumbers etc. - i could go on and on.

How much of the information about EU politicians robbing people by artificially devaluing currency, influx of illegal refugees, and whatever you could go on about, has been shared and spread through Facebook, generating attention for that information (whether it is accurate or not) in the first place?

Yeah it seems like this guy doesn't even know how the EU works. If you reduce it to "they regulate cucumbers but don't care about real threats" you probably fell for some cheap propaganda but it doesn't speak for your understanding of EU regulations.

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Post by ColonelPhantom »

woolvalley wrote: post #49
yread wrote: post #17

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I think that's where the wiggle room (or court battleground?) of GDPR will be. Lots of companies do that: Quora, Pinterest,...

I think quora and co is more about having an account and not about any sort of data consent per say.

Making an account is generally seen as a form of giving consent, especially as you need to agree to the terms and conditions when doing so.

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Post by repolfx »

matteuan wrote: post #66
ericdykstra wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having a lot of customers isn't a monopoly.

Having the great majority of the customers IS a monopoly. And also trying to buy the rest is (e.g. instagram, whatsapp).

But then every firm that created a new product or new product category would be immediately illegal.

That's why monopolies aren't illegal, not even in the EU. They have to engage in abuse to create or maintain a monopoly.

But Facebook hasn't done that. Buying your competitors is not abuse of market position, they willingly joined forces.

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Post by zerostar07 »

icebraining wrote: post #3

There's some irony in getting the Oath panel forcing me to consent to their tracking (in apparent violation of the GDPR) before showing me an article about Facebook's data handling problems. By the way, if you want to read the article without agreeing to their stuff, stop the page load after the article shows up. https://guce.oath.com/collectConsent?brandType=nonEu&.done=h...

there is an "other options" option.

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Post by vmateixeira »

robin_reala wrote: post #84
kennell wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you think that the GDPR has really changed anything for either Facebook or its users? Do you think that anything changed in the way data is being handled? All i see is a bunch of highly paid law firms writing up 200 additional pages in terms and conditions to shield the company, but nothing really changed as far as daily business is concerned.

Two hundred extra pages of new privacy info in the T&Cs would fail GDPR: The information you provide to people must be concise, transparent, intelligible, easily accessible, and it must use clear and plain language. https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/guide-to-the-general-da...

If a company has money to hire lawyers to make an extra 200 pages of T&Cs, I'm sure they will have the money to argue that those pages are "concise, transparent, intelligible, easily accessible, and it must use clear and plain language".
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