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Edmunds Tesla Model 3 Long-Term Road Test Update for April

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Re: Edmunds Tesla Model 3 Long-Term Road Test Update for April

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Post by dtparr »

greglindahl wrote: post #64
mmt wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your sarcasm doesn't add much to the conversation. Here's my actual criticism: Is there actually a $35k "option" (base model) yet? I'm pretty sure the answer is "no". I'm not going so far as a condemnation, but I'd like to see reviews of that model before passing judgment. Also, is it common for "every other carmaker" to have that huge a difference in price within the same model, barring actual structural differences…

The $35k Model 3 will be released when they need to ship them -- until then, they're going to ship higher-priced higher-margin cars. (Even higher-priced dual motor and performance models just got released because production has finally gotten to a reasonable level and they're willing to introduce kinks in the production line.) The same thing was done with Model S and Model X. I have air suspension because elsewise I…

One nit, in addition to the +$9k long range 'option' the cheapest current 3 also requires the +$5k Premium Upgrade Package. So the cheapest current Model 3 is $49k (+ the 1k Destination + Doc Fee).

I'm curious how many of those have been sold since that does not include the autopilot package, meaning it doesn't even have traffic aware cruise control. It seems likely that people preferring Teslas would also have a strong preference for the autopilot.

Re: Edmunds Tesla Model 3 Long-Term Road Test Update for April

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Post by carlivar »

greglindahl wrote: post #84
carlivar wrote: post #83

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Well it was Jan-Mar 2018, then Early 2018, and now Late 2018 for the standard battery. I was a day 1 reservation holder and watched the date keep slipping. I have little faith Late 2018 will be met at this point so I cancelled my reservation. I'll just let everything sort out and buy an EV in 3 years when there are plenty of no-drama options.

If you want the low-end Model 3 today, buy a Bolt. Done.

I'm very tempted but I don't like how it looks. The I-pace looks great. Something between I-pace and Bolt would be fine. I expect VW to probably have plenty to offer, for example, in a few years.

Re: Edmunds Tesla Model 3 Long-Term Road Test Update for April

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Post by TeeWEE »

userbinator wrote: post #24
flyGuyOnTheSly wrote: post #14

>The passenger vanity mirror fell off completely. Installed and held on only by double-sided tape. That is the most worrying report of all... taping together parts of a $56,000 automobile? Glass parts, no less? Sounds like desperation is taking hold at Tesla imho...

What did you expect? Tape is not uncommon. Pretty much all mirrors are held on with double-sided tape, or some other soft adhesive.

My Audi from 2001 has a nice "snap" feature that puts the mirror in place. It really hard to get off. Its engineered well. Tape sounds bad.

Re: Edmunds Tesla Model 3 Long-Term Road Test Update for April

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Post by TeeWEE »

I don't care about the software bugs, software will only get better over time. For me the most important is build quality. And i think Tesla is doing its best to have a high build quality. Maybe for the first few cars rolling of the assembly line there might be problems.

I still hope for the best.

Re: Edmunds Tesla Model 3 Long-Term Road Test Update for April

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Post by sunstone »

justin66 wrote: post #36
sunstone wrote: post #23

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That was one vehicle. The first test was fine. Subsequent tests were not. It's pretty clearly a flaw in the brakes of that particular vehicle. If CR wants to generalize from that fine, but it's not doing a service to its readers.

> That was one vehicle. From the Consumer Reports article[1]: Because we saw some inconsistency in the braking performance, we got a second Model 3 (a privately owned vehicle that was loaned to CR) to verify our results. CR has tested second samples in previous situations to double-check our findings. ... CR’s experience with the Model 3’s braking is not unique. Car and Driver, in its published test of a Model 3, sai…

Well it looks like brake issue can be solved with a software update [1] in a few days. Which is not too surprising since brakes are a known technology.

[1]https://electrek.co/2018/05/22/tesla-will-update-model-3-fir...

Re: Edmunds Tesla Model 3 Long-Term Road Test Update for April

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Post by jccooper »

mmt wrote: post #55
greglindahl wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla should absolutely be condemned for offering options, like every other carmaker.

Your sarcasm doesn't add much to the conversation. Here's my actual criticism: Is there actually a $35k "option" (base model) yet? I'm pretty sure the answer is "no". I'm not going so far as a condemnation, but I'd like to see reviews of that model before passing judgment. Also, is it common for "every other carmaker" to have that huge a difference in price within the same model, barring actual structural differences…

It's entirely common in that segment. The BMW 3 series, against which the Model 3 is precisely positioned, starts at $34,900, has a non-optioned model with a larger engine and all-wheel drive starting at $50,950, and can get optioned to $66,000. And that's not even getting into the M3 performance version, which starts at $66,500 and can get optioned up to $88,000.

Re: Edmunds Tesla Model 3 Long-Term Road Test Update for April

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Post by stephengillie »

boznz wrote: post #58
abduhl wrote: post #9

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I am trying to think of any other first generation first year car that had a problem so basic as being on the order of "car doesn't recognize the key/keyfob and so won't start" and I can't think of one.

I left my Keyless entry Mazda 3 keys on the drivers seat and it locked me out at the gas station. There are some things that should just not go wrong on a car!

My Camry Hybrid won't lock the doors from the outside if the key fob is inside. You have to lock it from inside if the fob is inside.

Re: Edmunds Tesla Model 3 Long-Term Road Test Update for April

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Post by vinceguidry »

flyGuyOnTheSly wrote: post #65
userbinator wrote: post #40

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Some nuts and bolts, perhaps? It's a piece of glass. Adding such fastening would increase the cost of assembly significantly. Double-sided tape is an industry standard. Cars costing more and less than $56k use it. It just appears that it wasn't very good tape in this case. Good double-sided tape can stick very, very well.

>It's a piece of glass. Adding such fastening would increase the cost of assembly significantly. But at least it would be guaranteed not lead to reviews of 3 month old cars where the glass mirrors were not falling off and making the company look poorly before it even gains mass adoption. The engineering of early macbook pros was absolutely over the top and ridiculously expensive... but Apple knew that they were buyin…

> The engineering of early macbook pros was absolutely over the top and ridiculously expensive... but Apple knew that they were buying trust with that added expense.

This is a myth. Early Macbook Pros weren't even actually unibody, even though they were advertised as such. Instead they glued two pieces of aluminum together, which would come apart after awhile. Numerous issues with screens delaminating and such as well.

They were certainly better-engineered than their existing counterparts, but build quality at Apple has always been a third-tier concern.

Re: Edmunds Tesla Model 3 Long-Term Road Test Update for April

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Post by justin66 »

sunstone wrote: post #96
justin66 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That was one vehicle. From the Consumer Reports article[1]: Because we saw some inconsistency in the braking performance, we got a second Model 3 (a privately owned vehicle that was loaned to CR) to verify our results. CR has tested second samples in previous situations to double-check our findings. ... CR’s experience with the Model 3’s braking is not unique. Car and Driver, in its published test of a Model 3, sai…

Well it looks like brake issue can be solved with a software update [1] in a few days. Which is not too surprising since brakes are a known technology. [1] https://electrek.co/2018/05/22/tesla-will-update-model-3-fir...

It's because they're a "known technology" that it's rather surprising that Tesla managed to screw up their ABS system in such a dangerous way. If there has been an analogous failure with either traditional Bosch ABS systems or the Toyota systems that integrate with hybrid and electric powertrains - both systems have been around for decades - I'm not aware of it.

Not that Toyota hasn't had other sorts of firmware problems...

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