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Edmunds Tesla Model 3 Long-Term Road Test Update for April

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Re: Edmunds Tesla Model 3 Long-Term Road Test Update for April

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Post by houssc »

abduhl wrote: post #9
dave1619 wrote: post #8

I've owned a Model 3 for over 5 months now with almost 6k miles on it. All I can attest to is my personal experience and the experience of some friends who also own a Model 3. Performance and handling on this car is truly amazing. Autopilot (at least in my personal experience) has been excellent. That said I understand the limitations of Autopilot and keep cautious oversight when it's on. I've head a few minor issues…

I am trying to think of any other first generation first year car that had a problem so basic as being on the order of "car doesn't recognize the key/keyfob and so won't start" and I can't think of one.

It sounds like the key fob did work as others pointed out. However I'm sure there are still lots of unfinished things. When I was out in Chicago with my buddy late last year I got to drive the updated Model S and I noticed the windshield wipers wouldn't come on automatically whenever it rained. After digging through the menu we found a thing that said said something like "feature coming soon" for automatic wipers. Kinda sucks to not have feature a lot of very entry level luxury-ish cars have. Overall the tech is cool and I bet they offer a lot more future functionality through patching. Just feels like they are always in a rush to launch to get some cash in the door and they go with "that will do for now" as the solution.

I hear they got a patch out around last new years to finally address this.

Re: Edmunds Tesla Model 3 Long-Term Road Test Update for April

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Post by sxcurry »

userbinator wrote: post #40
flyGuyOnTheSly wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>What did you expect? Some actual engineering of a snap together framework at the very least? (Which would be even cheaper than just taping it together in the long run...) Some nuts and bolts, perhaps? I have never heard of a mirror "falling off" of any consumer car unless it was in some kind of accident... especially not after a few months of ownership... of a $56,000 car...

Some nuts and bolts, perhaps? It's a piece of glass. Adding such fastening would increase the cost of assembly significantly. Double-sided tape is an industry standard. Cars costing more and less than $56k use it. It just appears that it wasn't very good tape in this case. Good double-sided tape can stick very, very well.

I love it! This is HN now - backing up the use of double sided tape in a Tesla. Glad I bought an Audi...,

Re: Edmunds Tesla Model 3 Long-Term Road Test Update for April

#53

Post by dingaling »

rwbt wrote: post #3

A lot of annoyances, needless complicated door handles, buggy software. But this made me smile and the car enthusiast inside me is ecstatic. > "This car is a joy to drive on Angeles Crest Highway, and I don't say that lightly. Angeles Crest is a famously demanding road that winds up into the San Gabriel Mountains north of Los Angeles. You need brakes, power and a taut, balanced chassis to do it right. The Model 3 has…

> Body roll is minimal

There are a couple of problems with the obsession for flat cornering.

One is that its uncomfortable for people in the car, particularly passenger, who are pushed sideways into the seat-bolsters and side panels.

More importantly is when lateral grip finally breaks there is no warning to the driver with a cocked wheel and gentle progression: it just lets go.

As a counter-example Mazda have always engineered some body-roll into the Miata / MX-5 so that it's fun and communicative in corners.

Re: Edmunds Tesla Model 3 Long-Term Road Test Update for April

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Post by xt00 »

Sounds like the touchscreen is getting noise coupled into it from the ground of the car being different from the touchscreen's power supply. Assuming that they have something like 12V avail to power that unit, then a buck that gives you 3.3V, so probably somewhere in that chain there is a bunch of noise coupling in.. common mode noise.. gotta squash that..

Re: Edmunds Tesla Model 3 Long-Term Road Test Update for April

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Post by mmt »

greglindahl wrote: post #37
jjeaff wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had to look that price up, because I could have sworn the big talking points was the $35k price tag. And sure enough, average purchase estimates are swelling past $50k average and some paying closer to $60k.

Tesla should absolutely be condemned for offering options, like every other carmaker.

Your sarcasm doesn't add much to the conversation.

Here's my actual criticism: Is there actually a $35k "option" (base model) yet? I'm pretty sure the answer is "no".

I'm not going so far as a condemnation, but I'd like to see reviews of that model before passing judgment.

Also, is it common for "every other carmaker" to have that huge a difference in price within the same model, barring actual structural differences (coupe/sedan/wagon)? $56k is 160% of the $35k price.

Re: Edmunds Tesla Model 3 Long-Term Road Test Update for April

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Post by greglindahl »

mmt wrote: post #50
greglindahl wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except with a manual, you're reducing the lifetime of your clutch, while with regenerative brakes, you're saving energy. I find that one-pedal driving makes me much more mellow: I play a game where I try to never have to use the actual brakes. Disclaimer: my first clutch lasted 120,000 miles.

> Except with a manual, you're reducing the lifetime of your clutch Huh? How is engine braking (or, for that matter anything ) on a fully-engaged dry clutch going to reduce its lifetime?

Well, that's what people tell me, and a quick google shows that the Internets have a huge debate over the issue. So I'll just say that I'm not an expert, but I still love one-pedal driving.

Edit: from the huge number of downvotes my previous comment is getting, apparently many HN users think they know the answer!

Re: Edmunds Tesla Model 3 Long-Term Road Test Update for April

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Post by boznz »

abduhl wrote: post #9
dave1619 wrote: post #8

I've owned a Model 3 for over 5 months now with almost 6k miles on it. All I can attest to is my personal experience and the experience of some friends who also own a Model 3. Performance and handling on this car is truly amazing. Autopilot (at least in my personal experience) has been excellent. That said I understand the limitations of Autopilot and keep cautious oversight when it's on. I've head a few minor issues…

I am trying to think of any other first generation first year car that had a problem so basic as being on the order of "car doesn't recognize the key/keyfob and so won't start" and I can't think of one.

I left my Keyless entry Mazda 3 keys on the drivers seat and it locked me out at the gas station. There are some things that should just not go wrong on a car!

Re: Edmunds Tesla Model 3 Long-Term Road Test Update for April

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Post by Animats »

userbinator wrote: post #24
flyGuyOnTheSly wrote: post #14

>The passenger vanity mirror fell off completely. Installed and held on only by double-sided tape. That is the most worrying report of all... taping together parts of a $56,000 automobile? Glass parts, no less? Sounds like desperation is taking hold at Tesla imho...

What did you expect? Tape is not uncommon. Pretty much all mirrors are held on with double-sided tape, or some other soft adhesive.

Tape is not uncommon in automotive, but most manufacturers use tape that won't come unglued in normal operation.

Re: Edmunds Tesla Model 3 Long-Term Road Test Update for April

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Post by greglindahl »

sxcurry wrote: post #52
userbinator wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some nuts and bolts, perhaps? It's a piece of glass. Adding such fastening would increase the cost of assembly significantly. Double-sided tape is an industry standard. Cars costing more and less than $56k use it. It just appears that it wasn't very good tape in this case. Good double-sided tape can stick very, very well.

I love it! This is HN now - backing up the use of double sided tape in a Tesla. Glad I bought an Audi...,

I don't know shit about how mirrors are attached in cars, but I know how to Google.

http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_EU/Industrial-Adhes...

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