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Edmunds Tesla Model 3 Long-Term Road Test Update for April

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Re: Edmunds Tesla Model 3 Long-Term Road Test Update for April

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Post by houssc »

greglindahl wrote: post #78
houssc wrote: post #75

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Yea he has the AP2, thanks I forgot what it was called. Sadly that is the kind of thing I'd expect and it completely understandably takes away from the value of their products. Everyone has their own equation for what makes sense and I'm sure some are fine with these issues too. Good thing we have a free market with many options :-).

When I first got my S, if you left the windshield wipers on the automatic setting, and it had rained in the recent past, when you unlocked the car and opened the door, the wipers would activate once and throw water on you. Mercedes, which uses the same wiper system, had the same bug. The difference is that Mercedes never fixed those cars. Tesla did. So yes, there are issues. But it's not a straight win for either Tes…

Yea I mentioned that as well in my prior post, that tesla does patch and like I said everyone has a different equation to decide what they want.

Re: Edmunds Tesla Model 3 Long-Term Road Test Update for April

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Post by greglindahl »

carlivar wrote: post #80
greglindahl wrote: post #37

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Tesla should absolutely be condemned for offering options, like every other carmaker.

The long range battery ($9k) and premium interior ($5k) are mandatory. They are literally not options.

... and as I mentioned in another comment, that's because they're shipping expensive cars for as long as they can. That's how S and X worked, too. It's not rocket science. If you don't want to pay extra, you can get a car in "Late 2018", according to the configuration gizmo.

Re: Edmunds Tesla Model 3 Long-Term Road Test Update for April

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Post by carlivar »

greglindahl wrote: post #82
carlivar wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The long range battery ($9k) and premium interior ($5k) are mandatory. They are literally not options.

... and as I mentioned in another comment, that's because they're shipping expensive cars for as long as they can. That's how S and X worked, too. It's not rocket science. If you don't want to pay extra, you can get a car in "Late 2018", according to the configuration gizmo.

Well it was Jan-Mar 2018, then Early 2018, and now Late 2018 for the standard battery. I was a day 1 reservation holder and watched the date keep slipping. I have little faith Late 2018 will be met at this point so I cancelled my reservation.

I'll just let everything sort out and buy an EV in 3 years when there are plenty of no-drama options.

Re: Edmunds Tesla Model 3 Long-Term Road Test Update for April

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Post by greglindahl »

carlivar wrote: post #83
greglindahl wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... and as I mentioned in another comment, that's because they're shipping expensive cars for as long as they can. That's how S and X worked, too. It's not rocket science. If you don't want to pay extra, you can get a car in "Late 2018", according to the configuration gizmo.

Well it was Jan-Mar 2018, then Early 2018, and now Late 2018 for the standard battery. I was a day 1 reservation holder and watched the date keep slipping. I have little faith Late 2018 will be met at this point so I cancelled my reservation. I'll just let everything sort out and buy an EV in 3 years when there are plenty of no-drama options.

If you want the low-end Model 3 today, buy a Bolt. Done.

Re: Edmunds Tesla Model 3 Long-Term Road Test Update for April

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Post by dlhavema »

carlivar wrote: post #48
greglindahl wrote: post #44

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I've never "commonly" adjusted a side mirror -- it's a very occasional thing.

That is true, I'm getting old and have memory seats now. I'm 6'4" so this used to be more common for me before memory seats. Or in other people's cars.

I so want memory seats. My wife is about 8 inches shorter than me...

Re: Edmunds Tesla Model 3 Long-Term Road Test Update for April

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Post by chrisbennet »

mmt wrote: post #50
greglindahl wrote: post #41

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Except with a manual, you're reducing the lifetime of your clutch, while with regenerative brakes, you're saving energy. I find that one-pedal driving makes me much more mellow: I play a game where I try to never have to use the actual brakes. Disclaimer: my first clutch lasted 120,000 miles.

> Except with a manual, you're reducing the lifetime of your clutch Huh? How is engine braking (or, for that matter anything ) on a fully-engaged dry clutch going to reduce its lifetime?

I play the same “game” (not using brakes). The extra clutch wear happens because you down shift to increase engine braking. You rev match (blip the throttle) so the car doesn’t jerk when you do this.

I’ve got 212K miles on my original clutch (a 2007 BMW 3 series) so the wear isn’t too bad.

Re: Edmunds Tesla Model 3 Long-Term Road Test Update for April

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Post by colordrops »

carlivar wrote: post #49
colordrops wrote: post #43

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The UI is pretty intuitive and they are making regular usability updates. Many things on the car are automatic so you don't have to mess with controls anyway, such as windshield wipers, lights, seat position, etc.

So do you feel like you don't need to take your eyes off the road any more than with traditional controls?

No, I don't. The Model 3 still has volume and toggle knobs on the wheel, so you can adjust audio without looking. Similarly to other cars, you have to look for a sec if you want to do something more complex. But it's not really a problem at all.

Re: Edmunds Tesla Model 3 Long-Term Road Test Update for April

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Post by ryandetzel »

I couldn't find it in the details but I would assume because that this is an early production car which had known issues and if you believe the more recent reports the car is in much much better condition now only after a couple months of production. Growing pains, if these were issues on a model 1-2 years old there would be issues but they've only been sending cars down the line for I can't wait to get mine, sure there might be issues but I'm pretty confident the amazing features will shadow any minor tape issues that can easily be rectified.

Re: Edmunds Tesla Model 3 Long-Term Road Test Update for April

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Post by stephengillie »

erik_landerholm wrote: post #47

The braking, if correct is terrible. It’s not the 80s anymore. https://jalopnik.com/consumer-reports-says-it-found-big-flaw...

>In CR’s testing, Model 3's braking distance from 60 mph was 152 feet, a distance that the outlet claimed is “far worse than any contemporary car [it has] tested” and was nearly seven feet longer than the braking distance than that of a Ford F-150.

Another article[0] in this thread has more:

In a recent test of various 2018 F-150s, Motor Trend recorded a 129-foot stopping distance for the 3.3-liter XL Supercab model, while an upscale Lariat trim made the stop in 10 fewer feet. For comparison, a Chrysler 300S tested by the same publication made the stop in 109 feet.

For comparison, a 2016 Camry Hybrid:

>Stopping distance from 60 mph is around 125 feet, which is average for the midsize hybrid segment...[1]

  Car           distance (feet)
  Model 3       152
  F-150         129
  Camry Hybrid  125
  F-150 Lariat  119
  Chrysler 300S 109
[0]http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2018/05/pump-brakes-consume...

[1]https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/2016-Toyota-Camry-Overview-c25...

Re: Edmunds Tesla Model 3 Long-Term Road Test Update for April

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Post by userbinator »

greglindahl wrote: post #60
sxcurry wrote: post #52

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I love it! This is HN now - backing up the use of double sided tape in a Tesla. Glad I bought an Audi...,

I don't know shit about how mirrors are attached in cars, but I know how to Google. http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_EU/Industrial-Adhes...

This is the relevant line from that link:

3) 3M Double Coated Tape 4492 is used to bond interior visor mirror glass to the plastic bezel.

To the grandparent: Your Audi likely uses double-sided tape too. :-)

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