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Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by AGKyle »

josegonzalez wrote: post #308
mlindner wrote: post #222

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There are open source 3d party applications on Linux that I've used to access 1Password password archives. The code is closed source but everything they're using to encrypt the passwords are open standards. You can build your own 3rd party open source platform to access them.

Do you have any suggestions for such software? I've been looking into this as I migrate to Linux and have yet to find something that does read and write for stuff stored in my Vault. I'd honestly be willing to pay for software that provided this.

I work for AgileBits, makers of 1Password

We don't prevent people from writing 3rd party tools, but I would also be very wary of using them. Our stance is outlined here:

https://blog.agilebits.com/2013/03/06/you-have-secrets-we-do...

> We have to advise you to never enter your 1Password Master Password into anything that isn’t 1Password. We aren’t casting aspersions on the integrity or competence of any developers, but we simply can’t advise otherwise.

So as long as you're mindful of this advice from us, go forth and conquer.

Kyle

AgileBits

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by AGKyle »

manicdee wrote: post #333
roustem wrote: post #246

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Most of the HN users reading this thread do understand the difference between licenses and subscriptions. It may seem strange but this is not the case for the vast majority of the users. We have customers emailing us about having a 1Password account/subscription since before 2015 (when we only had licenses). We originally started with offering both licenses and subscription as equal options. Here is how it looked: ht…

The standalone macOS app isn’t going to be much value to me if the iOS app requires a subscription though. 1Password accounts seem like a very attractive target for something like Stuxnet. I just can’t bring myself to put my trust in a corporation, given the history of pivots & acquisitions and subsequent licence changes & data repurposing.

The iOS application doesn't require a subscription to use. It works just fine as it always has with standalone vaults via iCloud or Dropbox (and WLAN from a desktop).

On iOS, scroll down the list, you'll see an option on the welcome screen to create a standalone vault. You're not on a subscription doing this.

Already have a vault synced to Dropbox or iCloud? Tap the requisite option on the welcome screen and it'll suck the data in from your sync source of choice. Again, no subscription required.

Kyle

AgileBits

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by AGKyle »

ketralnis wrote: post #338
roustem wrote: post #246

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Most of the HN users reading this thread do understand the difference between licenses and subscriptions. It may seem strange but this is not the case for the vast majority of the users. We have customers emailing us about having a 1Password account/subscription since before 2015 (when we only had licenses). We originally started with offering both licenses and subscription as equal options. Here is how it looked: ht…

What is the future of dropbox sync between desktop and iOS? Am I right in assuming that since you keep only mentioning iCloud that it won't be possible? I can just decline to upgrade the desktop client, but I can't just choose to ignore updates to the iOS client.

We just recently, as of version 6.8 I think it was, updated the Dropbox SDK to work with their newest API version.

There are no plans to remove Dropbox support. Especially not after we spent an entirely non-trivial amount of time getting the SDK updated.

Kyle

AgileBits

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by AGKyle »

curun1r wrote: post #120
0culus wrote: post #82

Although it's been said that they will continue supporting licenses through their website, they have made this feature _extremely_ difficult to find ever since introducing subscriptions. I've been a loyal user of 1Password for a long time, and I think it's great software. I use it on both my Macs, as well as on my iOS devices. However, hiding the non-subscription feature is silly. I do not wish to add yet another sub…

I feel the same way and I'm starting to look towards alternatives. Despite having bought (or had bought for me, at various jobs) somewhere between 10 and 15 individual licenses, 1Password won't ever get another dime from me after the way they've treated non-subscription customers. In addition to making it confusing to use my license, the command-line doesn't work at all without a subscription and now other software t…

Hi there,

Could you give me some details on what we've done to make you feel like a second-class citizen? I'm sorry if we've made you feel that way, it certainly isn't our intent but clearly we've done something that hasn't sat well with you.

Licenses aren't going away and we are definitely offering them for version 7. There are a variety of new features that both license and subscription users will see in version 7 as well.

The command line tool was made possible because our server component was written in Go and so we had a great deal of the work done as the command line tool is also written in Go. So there's a great deal of shared code there.

The original intent of the CLI was to allow administrators to automate the creation and deletion of users and vaults. They do this type of stuff all the time and having a tool accessible to them for this purpose was a goal of ours. It has the ability alter items and all that but I think for the most part it's used as an admin tool more than anything. Very little of this applies to the way the standalone vaults work.

Either way, I'd love to understand more about what we did to wrong you so I can pass that information along to the teams that need to see it.

Thanks,

Kyle

AgileBits

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by bwoodruff »

Khaine wrote: post #369
archagon wrote: post #182

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As time goes on, I've gotten less and less comfortable using proprietary software for critical tasks. If 1Password were open source, I'd actually be pretty happy to subscribe. But as it stands, I have no faith that the product won't change out from under me in the future, whether due to a pivot, an acquisition, or some other reason. The incentives align in favor of the business, not the customer. IMHO, subscriptions…

I agree. I try and use solutions that have open source formats, and are preferably open source. I have made an exception for 1Password, as it is so good. I hate subscription for software, unless there is a clear benefit. In this case, I don't see the benefit.

While our code is not, our vault formats are open. :)

Ben Woodruff AgileBits

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by bwoodruff »

crtasm wrote: post #392
beepbeepbeep1 wrote: post #315

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I am a long time 1Password user, purchased Mac licenses, IOS and Android over the years. I was annoyed when it changed to being subscription based, the price wasn't an issue I think for the value it gives the price is fair, 1Password is the only thing now keeping me on a Mac. The issue i had with it is you don't own the software and when my credit card expired and i forgot to update it losing access to passwords even…

there's not even a grace period to export your passwords? If not, wow that's a major downside! Comment elsewhere in this thread points out they have a Linux CLI app now as well.

When accounts are frozen (which is what happens if you stop paying) 1Password enters a read-only state. You can’t use the browser extensions, make modifications, or add new data, but you’ll have read-only access to your data.

We do have a CLI that runs on Linux (as well as Mac and Windows).

Ben Woodruff

AgileBits

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by bwoodruff »

fnordsensei wrote: post #199
cdumler wrote: post #123

So, I'll join the chorus here by saying that I've picked up the subscription fee. I've been using their software daily for over three years. During that time, they have consistently improved their product and have been open about issues (as far as I am concerned). I was a little irked when I saw the subscription model. I was like, "hey, I paid for this." So, I looked up how much I paid in licenses by looking them up.…

Is it possible to pay for a subscription and use a local vault? I've no problem with the business model, but I'd rather keep the data to myself. Edit: Answered my own question > 1Password 7 from the Mac App Store will only support our hosted service, as that’s what you’re purchasing with a 1Password membership. If you install from our website, you’ll have to option to use a standalone vault synced via iCloud if you p…

> Is it possible to pay for a subscription and use a local vault?

Yes, with 1Password 7 this is possible. It isn’t the recommended situation, and we don’t advertise it, but it is possible.

Ben Woodruff

AgileBits

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by bwoodruff »

fnordsensei wrote: post #371
cjcampbell wrote: post #203

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Yes it is. The new release even brings local vault to Windows.

From what I'm reading now, it seems like it's read-only. Only to get things from a vault onto their servers. I still don't understand how the revenue model (subscriptions) necessitates the technical solution (cloud storage).

> From what I'm reading now, it seems like it's read-only. Only to get things from a vault onto their servers.

With 1Password 6 for Windows that is the case, but not with 1Password 7.

> I still don't understand how the revenue model (subscriptions) necessitates the technical solution (cloud storage).

It doesn't. But that is the recommended solution. You _can_ subscribe and use a standalone vault. But you're missing out on functionality that you're paying for that way.

Ben Woodruff

AgileBits

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by bwoodruff »

microtonal wrote: post #80
xoa wrote: post #66

I at least partly blame Apple and the MAS being such piece of shit for accelerating some of the sub trends we're seeing on the Mac now. It's really such a genuine shame, because in principle the MAS really could be an excellent idea, a way to unify and simplify a pain point of Mac use and boost security at a few levels without a need to alienate anyone or not support anything. Instead Apple had to make it an artifici…

I at least partly blame Apple and the MAS being such piece of shit for accelerating some of the sub trends we're seeing on the Mac now. It's really such a genuine shame, because in principle the MAS really could be an excellent idea, a way to unify and simplify a pain point of Mac use and boost security at a few levels without a need to alienate anyone or not support anything. I agree. Many of the applications that h…

1Password 7 for Mac is sandboxed, regardless of where you download it from.

Ben Wooodruff

AgileBits

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by bwoodruff »

curun1r wrote: post #151
shinratdr wrote: post #108

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To be fair, it still does all that stuff. I get that these moves make people nervous, and rightfully so. But as it stands every version of 1Password in active development (not including maintenance mode): * Can be licensed standalone. * Supports local & Dropbox vaults. * Was released within the last year, actively supporting those features. The only feature they’ve actually killed off (by not baking into future clien…

> every version of 1Password in active development...Can be licensed standalone This is incorrect. The command line client is subscription-only.

The CLI and 1Password X require a subscrition and membership based vaults, correct.

Ben Woodruff

AgileBits

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