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Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by ben_w »

pvg wrote: post #81
ben_w wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not any more. I can access keychain passwords in Chrome on iOS.

It's Safari-only on macOS, as far as I know. It does work with iOS apps and it doesn't work on Windows. It can't replace a password manager unless you use Safari on macOS as your primary browser.

On macOS, Keychain Access.app (built in) can be used as a stand-alone app to generate and store passwords.

WFIW I’m using a plain text file in an encrypted disk image, because I started before I found out about Keychain Access.app, and I never actually trusted third party apps for security reasons and possibly paranoia, so I can’t compare UX quality, but it is available in a form on the desktop.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by archagon »

cdumler wrote: post #123

So, I'll join the chorus here by saying that I've picked up the subscription fee. I've been using their software daily for over three years. During that time, they have consistently improved their product and have been open about issues (as far as I am concerned). I was a little irked when I saw the subscription model. I was like, "hey, I paid for this." So, I looked up how much I paid in licenses by looking them up.…

As time goes on, I've gotten less and less comfortable using proprietary software for critical tasks. If 1Password were open source, I'd actually be pretty happy to subscribe. But as it stands, I have no faith that the product won't change out from under me in the future, whether due to a pivot, an acquisition, or some other reason. The incentives align in favor of the business, not the customer. IMHO, subscriptions are already pointing in that direction.

I'd rather use something like pass and deal with the downsides. (Though I admittedly haven't switched yet.)

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by pvg »

Bud wrote: post #176
pvg wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My comment was a response to '1Password is making it so you can never buy a standalone version again'. This isn't true. It is true that they try to steer people into a subscription. But if they wanted to kill the standalone version, they would have. You can download the 1Password 7 beta right now and pay for it once.

There is no reason to believe that. I paid for 1Password as a standalone app THREE TIMES, only to discover later that my versions are all being orphaned, will not be updated, and will not receive key features.

What do you mean there is no reason to believe that? The very latest 1Password (the one that's in beta and not even in wide public release yet) you can purchase without a sub right this second. What's the part that you don't believe?

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by Splines »

GordonS wrote: post #144
byproxy wrote: post #128

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It's simple enough to do with some version of KeePass. I'm currently using https://keeweb.info/ and Keepass2Android.

I use the same. The only PITA is unlocking it with my, rather long, pass phrase. I just find it really fiddly on mobile.

You can get it to recognize fingerprints or a short version of your password if it's even been fully unlocked for the current phone session. It's a little fiddly and may not meet the level of security you're looking for, but it's an option.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by kobayashi »

kemayo wrote: post #180
kobayashi wrote: post #164

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Are you sure they’ve killed WLAN sync??

They don't seem to have. It's still shown in 1Password 7's betas, anyway.

Thank you for the info. If anyone is here from AgileBits/1Password please chime in.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by red_hare »

cdumler wrote: post #123

So, I'll join the chorus here by saying that I've picked up the subscription fee. I've been using their software daily for over three years. During that time, they have consistently improved their product and have been open about issues (as far as I am concerned). I was a little irked when I saw the subscription model. I was like, "hey, I paid for this." So, I looked up how much I paid in licenses by looking them up.…

Just gonna piggyback off this and say the family plan is an amazing value if you have aging parents.

I recently upgraded to one, set up each of my parents with accounts, and moved all of their passwords out the physical and digital notes that their passwords were strung across and into 1password.

This means no more iCloud password resets every time they need an app or call me for IT support. It means I can help them securely manage their financial accounts and photos as they get older. I can share with them my Netflix login. And I sleep better at night knowing they’ll be aware when one of their previously common recycled passwords is compromised.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by heimidal »

majidazimi wrote: post #70
Bud wrote: post #25

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It doesn't mean that, they are aggressively making sure it will never mean that again, and it definitely won't be fifty bucks for a few years. (It's $36/yr.)

Office 365 gives you a full office suite (including outlook) + 1TB of online storage + 50GB ad-free mail for 70$/year. According to complexity rules, 1Password shall ask for 36$/century.

This isn’t even a reasonable way to compare product pricing. Xbox Live Gold costs nearly as much as Office 365 Personal annually, and it is barely useful unless you own games to go with it. Or we could compare Office 365, at $70, to Apple iWork, which is free. Sure, Office has more functionality, but does it have infinitely more?

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by shinratdr »

kobayashi wrote: post #164
shinratdr wrote: post #108

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To be fair, it still does all that stuff. I get that these moves make people nervous, and rightfully so. But as it stands every version of 1Password in active development (not including maintenance mode): * Can be licensed standalone. * Supports local & Dropbox vaults. * Was released within the last year, actively supporting those features. The only feature they’ve actually killed off (by not baking into future clien…

Are you sure they’ve killed WLAN sync??

They’ve announced it will not be built into the Windows client as they would have to rewrite it for the new codebase.

It’s still available for the Mac client, but they’ve essentially said they won’t be supporting it in the future.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by shinratdr »

curun1r wrote: post #151
shinratdr wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, it still does all that stuff. I get that these moves make people nervous, and rightfully so. But as it stands every version of 1Password in active development (not including maintenance mode): * Can be licensed standalone. * Supports local & Dropbox vaults. * Was released within the last year, actively supporting those features. The only feature they’ve actually killed off (by not baking into future clien…

> every version of 1Password in active development...Can be licensed standalone This is incorrect. The command line client is subscription-only.

Fair enough, I wasn’t familiar with this client.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by pvg »

ben_w wrote: post #181
pvg wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's Safari-only on macOS, as far as I know. It does work with iOS apps and it doesn't work on Windows. It can't replace a password manager unless you use Safari on macOS as your primary browser.

On macOS, Keychain Access.app (built in) can be used as a stand-alone app to generate and store passwords. WFIW I’m using a plain text file in an encrypted disk image, because I started before I found out about Keychain Access.app , and I never actually trusted third party apps for security reasons and possibly paranoia, so I can’t compare UX quality, but it is available in a form on the desktop.

The purpose of a password manager is some kind of multi-device password sharing. Plain macOS keychain doesn't do that at all. There are certainly ways to manually emulate parts of the behaviour of a password manager, whether it's with Keychain Access or post its in your wallet (or various combinations thereof). Password managers are about automating all that.
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