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Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by Mister_Snuggles »

makecheck wrote: post #103

There are at least two elements to software maintenance: one is adding truly new features, and the other is making stupid changes just to keep old features working as they always did (often due to platform or hardware changes, especially with Apple!). I see Apple coughing up none of the costs that they create by regularly fiddling with their platforms and hardware in breaking ways, yet that is a big reason why softwa…

> There are at least two elements to software maintenance: one is adding truly new features, and the other is making stupid changes just to keep old features working as they always did (often due to platform or hardware changes, especially with Apple!).

I'm OK with the model that VMware is using, at least on the Mac.

You buy version X, you have version X. Version X gets updates for some amount of time. Eventually, a Mac OS upgrade makes version X no longer work, so you have to pay an upgrade price to upgrade to version Y. There is no subscription, but there is regular income to the company to make the updates you describe.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by cschmittiey »

tgb wrote: post #109

Can I use this space to ask how people actually use password managers on mobile? I got LastPass recently and put on it a good secure "correct horse battery staple"-type password. So now when I use accounts on my phone I have to type that password instead of my short, randomly generated, reused-all-the-time password. This means I'm more secure (no password reuse) but typing 30ish characters without error into my phone…

If you're on Android 8 or above (yes, I know most people aren't) there's support for password managers filling passwords in almost any app. Some apps aren't well built and don't support it. As far as I can tell, it's not something the developer has to explicitly enable support for though.

Anyways, I use the Bitwarden app on my S8 (and previously HTC 10) and it works great. I tap a password field, Android asks me if I want to fill the password, I unlock my "vault" with my fingerprint, and tap the right account for that app. It's pretty easy.

LastPass and Bitwarden also can hook into accessibility features on Android 7, to enable most of the same features, but since it's not part of Android and baked in it doesn't work quite as well.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by josteink »

nqzero wrote: post #112
Casseres wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It should be built into the initial price. And perpetual is unrealistic, but 10 years is not. Microsoft provides 5 years of Mainstream Support and 5 years of Extended Support at no additional cost (cost is built into the initial license fee). Heck, I would more trust software that says 10 years of garunteed support rather than lifetime support. Too many companies fudge the meaning of "lifetime", and 10 years blows Go…

there's a huge difference between supporting the version that they sold you for a specific version of ios and writing a new version to work with future changes to ios (which they don't in any way control)

Not really. As an iOS user I am forced to update the os for software to be supported and receive new security updates.

That Apple makes previous versions of my installed software incompatible when I do upgrade should not be my problem.

(That said, I agree there is a problem here, and I think Apple should ultimately be the one who fixes it)

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Post by GordonS »

byproxy wrote: post #128
hannibalhorn wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting in that you can host your own instance of their cloud server, but I really prefer something that uses standard cloud storage mechanisms (Dropbox, iCloud, etc.) for sync and works on top of that. Like others here, I'll probably be reevaluating my choice when it feels like it's time to upgrade. For me, some of the open source solutions are perfect as far as the underlying storage format and sync technology,…

It's simple enough to do with some version of KeePass. I'm currently using https://keeweb.info/ and Keepass2Android.

I use the same. The only PITA is unlocking it with my, rather long, pass phrase. I just find it really fiddly on mobile.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by rcarmo »

rmorey wrote: post #115

Why are people so vehemently opposed to the 1PW cloud sync service? For unenrypted data, I completely understand this. And in general, it's great to have the option to sync using whatever service you want. But the data that 1PW stores is encrypted up the wazoo and AB couldn't extract your passwords from it even if they wanted to. In their security document they even outline how useless it would be for a bad actor to…

Relying on a small, niche service to host something you rely upon daily is simply not a good long-term decision. I’d much rather rely on OneDrive or Dropbox for syncing, since the likelihood of their going away suddenly or being acquired by someone else who will tank the service is smaller. Not impossible, but more unlikely.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by jarym »

The reason I won’t go for a subscription is because I don’t want to find myself locked out of my password manager if I stop paying the subscription.

With IntelliJ (JetBrains) I get perpetual fallback and that makes me super comfortable with a subscription model.

Will AgileBits offer perpetual fallback? I doubt it. Their product works well but their marketing team are a let down.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by bpicolo »

crankylinuxuser wrote: post #127
bpicolo wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably nothing other than ease of use, but the old model isn't part of the equation for me. 5 bucks a month for my whole family to have good password security practices, and for 1password to sustain continuous updates, is a great deal.

Something as critical as "password infrastructure" should absolutely never be a subscription model. Pay software, sure. But by no means should anybody other than you have the ability to refuse access, especially some company where you are nothing but a $5/month number. I would be more forgiving if the subscription was for value-added features, like dynamic syncing, or remote encrypted storage. But it ain't.

Dynamic syncing and remote encrypted storage is exactly what 1password subscription gives you - I add something and it's available on all my devices right away (or my family's devices if I'm sharing it). There are tons of open source options out there if you're not looking for a paid/hosted option.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by burntsushi »

tgb wrote: post #109

Can I use this space to ask how people actually use password managers on mobile? I got LastPass recently and put on it a good secure "correct horse battery staple"-type password. So now when I use accounts on my phone I have to type that password instead of my short, randomly generated, reused-all-the-time password. This means I'm more secure (no password reuse) but typing 30ish characters without error into my phone…

I use pass[1], which has an unofficial Android app[2]. When you select a password in the Android app, it lets you paste it to any text field using normal copy & paste. Clicking the password does the "copy" part of the operation automatically. After a brief timeout, the password is no longer available to be pasted.

[1] - https://www.passwordstore.org/

[2] - https://github.com/zeapo/Android-Password-Store

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by thejj100100 »

jarym wrote: post #146

The reason I won’t go for a subscription is because I don’t want to find myself locked out of my password manager if I stop paying the subscription. With IntelliJ (JetBrains) I get perpetual fallback and that makes me super comfortable with a subscription model. Will AgileBits offer perpetual fallback? I doubt it. Their product works well but their marketing team are a let down.

You're not locked out of 1Password, you just can't add new items iirc.
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