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Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by hs86 »

acdha wrote: post #39
nsarafa wrote: post #11

I lost faith in 1Password when they forced me into the subscription model despite paying full price for the product years ago

How did they force you into the subscription model?

They needed to rewrite their Windows version from scratch multiple times and their first major release from this rewrite marathon was 1 Password 6 which had no support for local vaults.

This looked like a clear deprecation of their local vault support but their Mac and Android versions never dropped support for those. I don't know if AgileBits ever planned to drop that from the other versions but after some vocal feedback from their users they stated that local vaults will remain.

The upcoming 1 Password 7 is the first release after the rewrite to support local vaults again on Windows. (BTW, their previous Version 4 for Windows with local vaults was still supported during the 1 Password 6 timeline. Afair, they stopped to sell stand alone licences for those after a while.)

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by PakG1 »

dingo_bat wrote: post #49
PakG1 wrote: post #33

With all these subscription-only apps that are proliferating, I am curious how many enterprising app developers would be interested in making and marketing "cloudless" apps that rely on up-front high prices for revenue, but neverending free updates (mostly bug fixes, I would hope). With GDPR, this seems like it would be actually be easier to deliver. Of course growth numbers may suck, given how hard it is to make it…

This article is not about subscription only apps. 1password is available both as a standalone app and a subscription based one. But on the Apple app store they decided to offer only the subscription variant because of apples restrictions.

Right, I believe that jives with my point about how this philosophy of app deployment doesn't make for a good long-term business. I guess their line of thinking is the same as mine, but they come to a different conclusion because they have long-term concerns to think about.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by PakG1 »

JustSomeNobody wrote: post #69
PakG1 wrote: post #33

With all these subscription-only apps that are proliferating, I am curious how many enterprising app developers would be interested in making and marketing "cloudless" apps that rely on up-front high prices for revenue, but neverending free updates (mostly bug fixes, I would hope). With GDPR, this seems like it would be actually be easier to deliver. Of course growth numbers may suck, given how hard it is to make it…

Have you tried ledger-cli for budgeting?

Thing is that my wife is also a target user, and she does not have an inclination to use a command line-based app.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by TomK32 »

geff82 wrote: post #50
codetrotter wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm myself thinking of making an app like this for budget tracking, just because I haven't found any out there these days that don't require neverending subscriptions and also fit my unique needs. Did you try GnuCash? It's not user friendly but a friend of mine swears by it. https://www.gnucash.org/

This software is slow and a real pain to use for anything else than personal finances or the 12 bills a year you write as a contractor.

I moved from GnuCash to hledger. And while I did use both for the 26 bills a year I write as a contractor, I also had all my personal finance in both. Expenses are more like 12 or 4 (the big ones) a month and control was really necessary.

What you'll like about hledger and legerCLI is a) the undo function of your favourite text editor and b) separate files that you can include into a master c) awesome reports on the terminal.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by TomK32 »

PakG1 wrote: post #33

With all these subscription-only apps that are proliferating, I am curious how many enterprising app developers would be interested in making and marketing "cloudless" apps that rely on up-front high prices for revenue, but neverending free updates (mostly bug fixes, I would hope). With GDPR, this seems like it would be actually be easier to deliver. Of course growth numbers may suck, given how hard it is to make it…

Ha, I've started a budget tracking (more like forcasting) app two weeks ago. Rails and mongodb and will be a subscription app.

Have a look at hledger and ledgerCLI, the former has a lot of its functions in an API and you could thinker about using that as a base for a nice UI in something that is not haskell.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by quadrangle »

Rovanion wrote: post #47
codetrotter wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm myself thinking of making an app like this for budget tracking, just because I haven't found any out there these days that don't require neverending subscriptions and also fit my unique needs. Did you try GnuCash? It's not user friendly but a friend of mine swears by it. https://www.gnucash.org/

I heard there was a more user friendly FLOSS program called Homebank, though I've never used it myself.

I prefer (and use) Skrooge https://skrooge.org/

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by nugget »

hs86 wrote: post #71
acdha wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How did they force you into the subscription model?

They needed to rewrite their Windows version from scratch multiple times and their first major release from this rewrite marathon was 1 Password 6 which had no support for local vaults. This looked like a clear deprecation of their local vault support but their Mac and Android versions never dropped support for those. I don't know if AgileBits ever planned to drop that from the other versions but after some vocal fee…

They lost me over this issue too. It felt like they only decided to support local vaults again because there were so many complaints from loyal users about the deprecation, which makes me think at some point they may try to end-of-life it again. I wouldn't mind paying for a new license every few years, but I don't want anything on their cloud.

Re: Getting 1Password 7 ready for the Mac App Store

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Post by microtonal »

xoa wrote: post #66

I at least partly blame Apple and the MAS being such piece of shit for accelerating some of the sub trends we're seeing on the Mac now. It's really such a genuine shame, because in principle the MAS really could be an excellent idea, a way to unify and simplify a pain point of Mac use and boost security at a few levels without a need to alienate anyone or not support anything. Instead Apple had to make it an artifici…

I at least partly blame Apple and the MAS being such piece of shit for accelerating some of the sub trends we're seeing on the Mac now. It's really such a genuine shame, because in principle the MAS really could be an excellent idea, a way to unify and simplify a pain point of Mac use and boost security at a few levels without a need to alienate anyone or not support anything.

I agree. Many of the applications that have moved out of the app store (e.g. Dash) have also ditched sandboxing.

Going back to the situation where every application can read your whole home directory is a large regression.

(Of course, non-MAS apps can also be sandboxed, but many developers do not do it.)

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